Posted on 01/07/2010 10:16:19 AM PST by La Lydia
The indictment of a Nigerian man on Wednesday for the attempt to blow up a plane bound for Detroit on Christmas Day has rekindled a debate over whether such terrorism suspects should be treated as criminals or as enemy detainees. In a six-count indictment, a federal grand jury in Michigan charged the man, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, with attempted murder on a plane, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and related offenses. Mr. Abdulmutallab is to be arraigned on Friday....
But several administration officials said on Wednesday that the Federal Bureau of Investigation did not initially read Mr. Abdulmutallab his Miranda rights nor provide him with a lawyer when agents interrogated him.
Law enforcement officials had concluded that because they had a planeload of eyewitnesses who could testify against Mr. Abdulmutallab, they did not need to worry about the fact that if he made any self-incriminating statements before being read his rights, they would not be admissible in court.
... A law enforcement official said Mr. Abdulmutallab explained who gave him the bomb, where he received it and where he was trained to use it, among other things.
Eventually, Mr. Abdulmutallab stopped talking and asked for a lawyer, which he received about 30 hours after his arrest. It was not clear when in that timeline that the F.B.I. read him his Miranda rights...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
They withheld the Miranda Warning until he’d told them about the plot and who helped him. Probably a good tactic, as they EASILY had enough phyiscal evidence and witnesses to convict him without his statements.
He shut up immdiately after the Miranda Warning (Duh!), to they probably wouldn’t have gotten the information on the plot and other consiprators and plans.
Info revealed before the Miranda Warning cannot be used against HIM, but can be used against others.
If true, well-played.
Two words come to mind: Cluster F***
Too vulgar?
Then another two words come to mind: Keystone Cops
If “THEY” don’t do it HERE.....
Then
The MARINES don’t have to do it THERE (Miranda Iraq)
I haven't read the indictment - I don't even know if it's available online yet. But, it seems that even if a judge rules - which he will - that the Nigerian's statements, and evidence developed directly from those statements, can't come into evidence, there will still be PLENTY of other deeply incriminating forensic evidence and eye witness testimony available to the prosecutors.
NYT Rediculous
I am reasonably sure you are right. There have to be several dozen witnesses that can testify that he was there, and did what he did. My point is, THEY, that is, the Obamoids including Eric Holder, have made a huge song and dance about treating these people as criminals rather than enemy combatants, and then they don’t. They are trying to have it both ways (surprise).
It was probably the right decision because it at least got these facts out into public notice. The wrong decision is to try these people in criminal courts.
This is an entirely different type of act. Foreigners should be tried as hostile forces, and citizens should be tried for treason and sabotage.
Yes, they are. Holder has already admitted that even if KSM, or the others facing a civilian trial, should somehow manage to beat the rap, they won't be released. Precisely how does that further America's standing in the world? Can you imagine the outrage in the Arab world from that?
The military tribunals are the appropriate venue for trial for all of these non-citizen enemy combatants. It's still a trial under a rule-of-law, but in a more controlled setting with a much more predictable, but still fair, outcome.
Interesting. The FBI, of course, was acting sanely, trying to get information on his handlers and other details—which of course are now useless since no one appears to have acted upon them.
The FBI can use passenger evidence, and can carefully avoid using anything he confessed to before he was Mirandized.
But I suspect that the lib judges in charge of our system will still decide that the evidence is “tainted,” and let him go. For one thing, the stuff he blabbed about has been in all the newspapers and TV shows, and jurors would be pretty certain to know about it.
Maybe in a sad way it would be a good thing if they let him go. Because it will certainly demonstrate, in a case that virtually everyone has been watching, that treating enemy terrorist invaders as common criminals doesn’t work.
We already understand that here in FR. But it should drive the point home to much of the country. Whose fault if they let him go? Not the judge, he’s just doing his job. Not the FBI, they were just doing their job. Eric Holder and Obama. No one else. They were the guys who wanted to make this a criminal trial, as if he were a citizen who robbed a candy store.
Typical Obama pattern.
Get coverage for it in a yes way.
Then get coverage for it an a no way.....
Maybe.
But, do you think they’d have gotten any information, even bogus information, out of him once he was given his Miranda Warning?
He was already cooked before he even got off the plane, but the potential for getting even more information was still there.
My point remain that I do not think that he has any real valuable information that can help us more than we already know. We know that Al Qaeda in Yemen was responsible and hence we have to bomb and invade the hideouts of Al Qaeda terrorists in Yemen. That would be the most effective solution for the terrorism problem coming from Yemen or anywhere else in the world.
If the information in the NYT link is accurate he would have still been read Miranda rights even if taken as a enemy combatant.
At first it seemed ignorant to not read him his rights immediately but several Freepers explanations make sense.
get what info on other they could.even if it is low level muslims it is a lead to start on
I hope that is why and I hope a Judge can’t throw everything he says, even after lawyering up, out.
Fruit of Kaboom Bomber *ping*
Post #2 explains the FBI’s strategy very adequately.
Yes, I understand now.
Since the terrorist is a Black African, Obama and Holder see him as a victim in Bush War on Terror. All the problems in the world are due to White people.
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