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To: DoughtyOne

I do not agree. The woman wanted her daughter to have no contact with a lesbian. I stand with the mother completely on this. Since the courts have ruled the way they have, then the only thing to do would be to flee the courts jurisdiction. I pray that this mother will never ever be found, by this lesbo or any of her twisted supporters, irregardless of the fprmer custody decree. I would even help the mother evade the damned authorities.


102 posted on 12/29/2009 11:49:53 AM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide
Since the courts have ruled the way they have,...

Which incidentally is in conflict with Virginia's own laws regarding gay civil-unions/marriage. I'm not sure what Virginia can do about a Supreme Court that breaks the very laws it's supposed to enforce. I haven't followed the case closely, but I've been aware of it for several years.

105 posted on 12/29/2009 11:54:36 AM PST by nina0113
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To: rawhide

“I pray that this mother will never ever be found, by this lesbo or any of her twisted supporters, irregardless {sic} of the fprmer {sic} custody decree.”

But the FBI will find her and she will be charged with obstruction and kidnapping.


107 posted on 12/29/2009 11:55:53 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: rawhide; rcrngroup

In the year 2000, Miller and Jenkins voluntarily of their own volition participated in a civil ceremony. And I can guarantee you, they were very proud of being some of the first to do so.

In the year 2002, after giving it a lot of thought, and going through a considerable expensive process, Miller gave birth to this child.

In 2003, Miller separated from Jenkins.

It’s my take, that the Vermont court had the first shot at this in family court. The judge made a determination considering the information he had at that time, and Miller got custody and Jenkins got visitation rights.

Evidently at some point, Miller didn’t like the arrangement and ran. It’s mentioned that she cut off her contact with her attorney.

The reason the Virginia court decision was overturned, is most likely related to the Vermont court having the first and primary possession of this case. If it had ruled, the other courts are reluctant to allow a parent to do an end run and obtain a judgment more to their liking in another state.

IMO, that’s why the Supreme Courts of both states allowed the Vermont decisions to stand.

My thought is that Miller and Jenkins cohabited in Vermont. The jurisdiction was in Vermont. That’s the way it goes.

Folks, you have heard the claims of Miller, and you judge them to be true. I wish it were that simple. None of us truly knows what took place. We don’t know if these charges are trumped up or not. We don’t know if the child has nightmares or not. We like the idea that the reformed lesbian now turned Christian would telling the truth, but we don’t really know that.

Christians are involved in an awful lot of court cases in this nation. Sadly some of the parents involved make up incredible stories to tell about their spouse, in a contest to see who can win the custody of the children they both love.

Hell, in my first marriage I still don’t know the truth of everything that went down. I was in that marriage and I didn’t know. People who weren’t in this marriage think they do. Well, if you do, you’re doing a better impression of Carnak the Magnificent than I can. When children are involved, it’s terribly hard to know exactly what is going on with the other parent.

Women make claims all the time against fathers. It’s nearly impossible to defend yourself against those charges. So what is a judge to to? Do they always listen to the mom, always dismiss the mom? Frankly, I’m glad I don’t have to make that determination.

I don’t believe this judge wanted to put the child in danger, or allow her to remain in danger. At this point, all I can do is allow the folks who know the most about it, child protective services and the court do what they think is best.

I certainly don’t know as much as they do about it, and I don’t profess too. I tried to give reasons why the courts ruled as they did. Some of you have disagreed with me, because you can’t stand to see that girl left in the custody of Jenkins.

Frankly, I don’t like it either, but something is going on here that we are not taking into consideration, because if the court were able to confirm what Miller is charging, then Jenkins wouldn’t have custody.

I am also reminded that if one parent bad-mouths the other constantly, the child can have nightmares based on that alone, if they have to go with the demonized non-custodial parent for visitation. Been there, done that.

I appreciate your differing points of opinion here. It is nice to see that folks want what is best for this child.


121 posted on 12/29/2009 12:36:19 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Good news. HC bill will not cover illegal aliens. Bad news. 20-35 million will become citizens.)
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