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To: LuvFreeRepublic
If there weren't drunks on the road, there would be no need for sobriety check points

You must understand that this type of "logic" could be extended to take away any freedom, right? By way of example:

"If there weren't gun owners committing crimes, there would be no need to remove all guns from private homes."

That is the issue which you have continued to skirt throughout this thread. This isn't about drunk driving; it's about the gradual removal of rights that can only be prevented by continued vigilance.

108 posted on 12/30/2009 6:16:55 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion
Are you for real????

Cars are taken from an owner when they use the car in a commission of a crime. My car is in my drive way. Cars are not taken from a private driveway, even if the owner is drunk.

Same logic:

Guns are taken from an owner when they use the gun in a commission of a crime. My gun is in my house.

Doubtful all guns will be removed from private homes.

If stopped at a sobriety check point or for some other reason and you have a gun in the car, do they take it away if you have done nothing wrong and have the proper paperwork? NO.

Once again, get real. The gradual removal of rights relative to your rights being violated at a sobriety check point is the result of other people's actions. We are talking about unsafe and ILLEGAL action of others is what caused laws to be passed that impact all of us. Get rid of the drunk driver and there will be no sobriety check points. Hey and while you are at it, get rid of the terrorist so I don't have to have my rights violated when I get on a plane.

A civilized society passes laws for the good of the whole within the confines (theory) of our constitution. Right now, sobriety check points have found to be constitutional. Try using logic which should begin with a root cause analysis, and take into consideration all relevant facts including laws. Once again, my gun and my car is in my position.

110 posted on 12/30/2009 6:48:18 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: NittanyLion
the gradual removal of rights that can only be prevented by continued vigilance

You are correct, so why don't we stop the drunk drivers, kill all the terrorist, make sure guns are only used for self defense and hunting, etc. Then and only then will the gradual removal of rights be stopped. Oh wait, people need to use logic and goodness knows, not everyone is capable of doing that. You are more than welcome to voice your opinion that your rights are being violated. I will make sure MY RIGHT to free speech is not violated and will voice my opinion as well. Everyone that is of the opinion that your rights are being violated because lawful sobriety check points exist should be going after the drunks that caused the problem. Pretty sick that you don't, and it is even more pathetic that you spout the importance of preserving rights, but you and others have been less than civil relative to my right to have an opinion different than yours. So many fine upstanding Americans who have raped themselves in the Bill of Rights on this thread....NOT!

111 posted on 12/30/2009 6:59:34 AM PST by LuvFreeRepublic
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