The True Intent of Health "Reform"

Wall Street Journal via The Market Ticker ^ | 12/25/09 | Karl Denninger

[FromLori]

There are two interesting articles in the WSJ relating to the "Health Reform" bill, one by Karl Rove and the second coming from The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

Taxes start going up now, Medicare cuts begin after next fall's election, and spending for subsidies commences in five years. The price tag is not the first decade's announced $871 billion cost: It is $2.4 trillion. That's the cost of the tax credits in insurance exchanges, and the additional Medicaid costs the reform generates, over the first 10 years it's fully up and running, according to Congressional Budget Office numbers compiled by Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee.

[Old Texan]

When the taxes force people to do with less. It will dawn on the idiots that voted this POS into office, they have been had. Well, maybe not, We have some really stupid people in this country.
My New Years Resolution is to pray daily that God will strike each and everyone of the politicians with the most horrible, painful illness, he can cast upon them.
They will cast misery on the good people of this country. Turn about is fair play.

[combat_boots]

Intent?

Lawsuits + taxes + all the money spent by the time ‘the system’ is supposed to be in place = death to America.

[rlmorel]

I have to say...you somehow manage to post the most depressing threads on Free Republic.

Nothing personal there, and not that I disagree with the article, just an observation.

[o_zarkman44]

“We have some really stupid people in this country.”

That is the quote of the decade.

[mountainbunny]

The very worst thing about this is that health care “reform” shifts the goal posts, probably forever.

In a handful of years, this will become untouchable, and the Republicans will set themselves up as champions of the middle class, fighting against health care cuts as they do with Medicare/Medicaid now.

I’m already ready to tear my hair out when I hear people who I know have family members on Social Security Disability or Medicaid complain about this bill. They clearly have a disconnect when they say they’re against government health care since their family members are already on the dole.

[Lorianne]

Intentional head on collision.

I believe Mr Denninger has figured this out.

[FromLori]

I know but the reality is the truth is depressing.

[pallis]

Who would have dreamed that mandatory health insurance would cost so much?

Really, we should quit calling this sham health care reform. It’s mandatory health insurance with tax increases to pad the coffers of the thugocracy.

[PubliusMM]

I have believed, from the beginning of this travesty, that the ultimate goal is to implement the single payer system the 0bamunists and the anointed one have worked toward for so many years. They don’t give a rip for the Constitution, the rights of Americans, or the tremulous state of the economy. They know that the end result will be a populace ever more dependent on Big Brother and ‘entitlements’.

It’s time to take back the country.

[FromLori]

I read this most interesting article check it out and what is your opinion on it?

http://www.thedailybell.com/681/Nelson-Hultberg-The-Fed-is-a-Fascist-Cartel.html

[rlmorel]

I can’t really disagree with you there.

[goldstategop]

I do believe a single payer system is the real intent behind Obamacare. Nothing in the Constitution authorizes Congress to force any one to buy anything from a private party. Its unconstitutional. And Congress is not authorized to create a national health care system either... it only has limited powers specifically granted to it by the Constitution. It cannot legislate as it likes.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

[TennTuxedo]

ObamaCare is all about taking over one-third of our economy in one fell swoop and initialing the necessary moves to create automatic amnesty for illegal aliens through ObamaCare. Instant supporters of Liberals.

[shibumi]

The “gift” to the nation is just the latest phase of an agenda that could not be more obvious.

It is a society comprised of tax-serfs, dependents and Federal (Feudal) Overlords.

It is a fiat currency so totally without substance that the world will have no choice but to abandon it as a reserve, leaving the door open for the One World Government Currency. (Anybody notice the article on the UN plans to issue bullion coins?)

The Republic is no more. We are a government of Czars and AufgeblasenBlutegelBourgeoisieBurokraten.

The phrase “Your papers, Citizen” will soon be replaced with a wand that will scan your RFID chip.

..... oh, and if you plan on professing a religion, just make sure it’s one that worships death. (What’s really surprising is that they didn’t hold the Senate vote at StoneHenge - but then I suppose 1AM on the morning of the solstice was close enough.)

[sickoflibs]

bookmark for tomorrow

[sickoflibs]

Get this from link: "Since neither party is willing to have an honest debate and discussion with Americans relating to the amount of care we can afford to provide people, including but not limited to care as we age, for those who are unable to pay for it on their own, and since both parties have been co-opted by the medical device and pharmaceutical industry who have clamored for "more and more" of GDP (while delivering relatively small incremental "benefits" in the form of extending life, albeit at a questionable level of quality), this is what we're going to get."

[Secret Agent Man]

Look, if anyone gives you grief, point out that let’s say we wanted to cover the 31 million (not counting illegals) without health insurance and say each person’s policy costs $10,000 a year (which with families and kids and such it wouldn’t). But for sake of a higher figure and keeping it easy, say $10 grand (if they were all single, individual adults).

If the government just paid outright for these policies for each individual without any volume discounts,

31 million people times 10,000 per person equals 310 billion dollars. It might actually be accurate given the inefficiency of the federal government being involved even though the policies per family and adult/child differences may be less.

Compare this figure with the multiple trillion dollar plans and well over 100 new bloated federal agencies.

If it were about insurance the most liberal easy government direct handout would cost 310 billion. It isn’t about reform. It’s about control.

[ConjunctionJunction]

I disagree with Denninger on this point:

“The “standards and practices” remaining and impossible to remove (note the super-majority requirements in the bill - intentionally put there to prevent the removal of those standards and practices!)”
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That part can also be taken out by a later Congress: if that Congress has the will to do so.