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We're Screwed! (Rioting in the streets and devolution to a bartering system)
Fairfield County Weekly ^ | 12/ | Phil Maymin

Posted on 12/24/2009 7:26:31 AM PST by FromLori

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To: SamiGirl
but then how do you make it safe to drink?
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15 minutes in a pressure cooker. This the safest.

You can also add Clorox to the water and there are some filters.

121 posted on 12/24/2009 8:36:20 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Thermalseeker
I gotta get me a rooster.....

Two, in case something happens to the first one....

122 posted on 12/24/2009 8:38:09 AM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: FromLori
Look at Star Wars - that's how The Emperor took over the universe. Create an emergency which then creates chaos and the people will willingly give up their rights to feel safe and secure. Then you take over with little or no opposition.

And don't forget, George Lucas (who wrote Star Wars) is an uber-Leftist. He called Obama a “Jedi”.

Leftists CAN BE AND ARE Fascists! The Nazi party was the “National SOCIALIST Party” - they were leftists, not right-wingers.

123 posted on 12/24/2009 8:38:44 AM PST by GOPsterinMA (Never bring a snowball to a gun fight.)
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To: FromLori
[Gold is] going to be highly volatile,
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The Marxist-fascists will make owning gold illegal( This happened in the 1930s.) and make it illegal to trade in or exchange to foreign currencies.

124 posted on 12/24/2009 8:39:13 AM PST by wintertime
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To: All
In a worst case scenario, follow animal tacks. They'll lead you to water and shelter.
125 posted on 12/24/2009 8:41:23 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: GOPsterinMA
Getting off the grid is a excellent (and prudent) move.

One of my life long friends is building an off grid house right now. I've been helping him with sizing of the panels, batteries, voltage regulator, inverter, power management equipment, etc. He's doing solar, wind and eventually will have a generator set up off of a stream that flows across his property. It takes a lot of careful planning unless you are willing to spend a fortune on batteries and PV panels. His refrigerator runs off of 48 volt DC. That's great and all, but it cost about four times what a regular frig costs....

126 posted on 12/24/2009 8:41:47 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: concerned about politics

Thank you, I had not thought of that. Are you serious about boiling stones? Does that really work? I’m a city girl that is trying to learn to be self-sufficient.


127 posted on 12/24/2009 8:43:38 AM PST by alicewonders (Sarah Palin is the face of America's future.)
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To: blackbart.223
The best thing about Cuban cigars in Costa Rica is that they are relatively inexpensive. You have to go to a real tobacconista, though: don't ever buy the fake "Cohibas" they try to sell you on the beach - it's the same rip-off as in Mexico, only with a different currency.

There are well-stocked shops in the larger towns and cities. The quality does vary, so it helps to know something about the subject matter. Cuba is desperate for cash, so they tend to ship the "marquis" brands (like Cohiba, Montecristo, and Partagas) before the tobacco has been sufficiently aged.

I look for somewhat smaller cigars (corona, robusto, belicoso) from the smaller production facilities - Bolivar, Fonseca, Punch, Romeo Y Julieta, Hoyo de Monterrey, to name a few). Overall, the quality ranges from merely good to exquisite.

128 posted on 12/24/2009 8:44:09 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: SCalGal
In Costa Rica, you're guilty until proven innocent.

That's true in most places.

Napoleonic Code.

129 posted on 12/24/2009 8:44:51 AM PST by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: highlander_UW

“Liberals have long been working to manufacture the coming economic crisis. I am firmly convinced that they have a plan of what they want on the other side of the mess and plan on being the ones to survive the crisis best so they can end up on top permanently.”

The fruit from the seeds the commies planted years ago is ripe for the picking! Look for the real constitutional America to survive in small well guarded places in remote areas only the self sufficient and well armed have a chance.

Eventually the economic disaster will devolve into war!

When the US goes down the world is going to find itself in a unbelievable mess. Biblical in proportions.


130 posted on 12/24/2009 8:44:56 AM PST by timetostand (Merry Christmas)
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To: concerned about politics

Having debt vs. accumulating savings is a tricky decision to make in the runup to the impending hyperinflation.

On the one hand, as a debtor, you could make out well when the dollar loses value. Then you can repay debt for quarters, dimes, or even pennies on the dollar. So there’s an argument for accumulating debt.

But the kicker is, will your income really track inflation? The answer is, only if you still have a viable job or business. Now, if the inflation is bad enough, the economy collapses and puts your earnings in jeopardy.

So if you hold debt during the coming catastrophe, you are in essence doubling down. Timing is, as always, critical; and nobody knows what the timing of nationwide and personal economic events will be.

Holding cash is pretty much the mirror image of holding debt. You can expect to see the value of your cash (and cash-based) accounts erode due to the coming hyperinflation. Yes, it’s convenient to to have it in a liquid form, but how far south will the dollar and the economy go, and how soon? Will it go far enough south that the existing financial systems (checking, savings, and credit card accounts) can no longer function?

I see I have posted a number of questions and not many answers—other than that hyperinflation is almost inevitably coming. The most we can hope to do is to organize our thinking about the possibilities, assign what we believe are reasonable probabilities, and then make our choices. And be ready to change those choices, to the extent that we can, as these baleful events develop.


131 posted on 12/24/2009 8:46:34 AM PST by Erasmus (She was a BBC newsreader, marrying above her station.)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Thanks. I’ll see what I can turn up...


132 posted on 12/24/2009 8:46:34 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: timetostand
Look for the real constitutional America to survive in small well guarded places in remote areas only the self sufficient and well armed have a chance.

You read my mind. This is exactly what I've been saying for years. You would not believe how many times I've been brow beat and flamed on this very site for saying that exact thing or discussing the steps I've taken to prepare for the coming collapse...

133 posted on 12/24/2009 8:48:00 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: grumpygresh
When America finally wakes up she will find she has been bankrupt for a long time now. We're only just beginning to see the abrupt stop we're coming too. Congress has know since before 1993, http://www.apfn.net/Doc-100_bankruptcy.htm , the result of their own policies.

As the article correctly points out this has been happening for some time nearly 3 decades now. It has just been well hidden from the citizens.

I agree the world will feel this sudden stop. They are heavily invested in the US and the productivity of our citizens. Our dollars are backed by the “good faith and credit” of the United States. That my FRiends is us. In a crazy sense we're not the biggest consumers of the worlds goods, we're the biggest slaves. We've pledged our own productivity...

Weimer tried the tactic to print itself out of their WWI debts. I submit this is what 0bama is doing about our debt too. They think they can do this and stop just short of the crash. The problem is once you see the signs of the crash...it is already too late. The greed of the administration will blind it to the signals to stop.

I submit the fact we're seriously discussing these kind of events...it is already too late.

134 posted on 12/24/2009 8:49:53 AM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Chickensoup

I think the really massive deficits will start when medicare bubble and social security bubble hit. We are $12 billion to $18 billion in debt without those debts being considered. We could work out of that debt over a decade or so. But we are $50 to $100 billion upside down on unfunded liabilities on those two. That is when the real fun starts.

parsy, who hopes he is wrong


135 posted on 12/24/2009 8:50:27 AM PST by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: Thermalseeker
This is exactly what I've been saying for years. You would not believe how many times I've been brow beat and flamed on this very site for saying that exact thing or discussing the steps I've taken to prepare for the coming collapse...

I'm past the talking part.

136 posted on 12/24/2009 8:51:17 AM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: timetostand
When the US goes down the world is going to find itself in a unbelievable mess. Biblical in proportions.

In the past I've read articles and message board comments asking why the US doesn't appear to be shaping events during the end times in the Bible. I don't claim to have any special input on it, but an economic collapse could remove America's influence in the world.

If that turns out to be the case the irony would be that liberals accused evengelicals of trying to bring about end time events but it'd actually turn out to be liberals who did it.

137 posted on 12/24/2009 8:53:10 AM PST by highlander_UW (Democrats used to be just the party of corruption, now they are the party of treason as well)
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To: EBH
....it is already too late

Not too late to prepare, but certainly too late to prevent the coming collapse. We're gaining $1 million in public debt every six seconds. Prior to the passage of Obamalamadingdong-care, our debt is projected to hit 85% of GDP by 2019. That's only nine years away and it tells me that what we have going on is far beyond unsustainable. Land and lead is what will help folks survive. I certainly wouldn't want to be living in a city in about 8-10 years.....

138 posted on 12/24/2009 8:54:25 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Stop the insanity - Flush Congress!)
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To: FromLori

Thanks for the post.If interested check out “Ragnar’s Urban Survival:A Hardtimes Guide to Staying Alive in the City”/Benson,Ragnar/Paladin Press.Quick read-not comprehensive by any means(too short)-but does a good job of covering the basics of survival in a worse case scenario.


139 posted on 12/24/2009 8:55:36 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Thermalseeker

I would add a couple of things to the survival gear and strategies list: A Bible, a copy of the Declaration of Independence and a copy of the US Constitution! All of course will be illegal to possess in time!


140 posted on 12/24/2009 9:00:02 AM PST by timetostand (Merry Christmas)
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