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Hadley Centre releases data--but questions remain
Examiner ^ | 12/23/09 | Terry Hurlbut

Posted on 12/24/2009 7:04:46 AM PST by ricks_place

The UK Meteorological Office released what it described as temperature data for over a century and a half from more than 1500 land weather stations throughout the world, along with what the Met Office described as the code used to plot temperature trends for the time frame in question. But the data are apparently not the raw data, and questions remain as to the validity of the adjustment of the data, an inconsistency in reporting a lack of valid temperature measurements in one year, and the accuracy of the source code.

John Graham-Cummings...

That's a bit odd, but not serious. But it makes me suspect something: I'll bet a mince pie that this code the Met Office has released is not the code they actually use to create CRUTEM3. I bet they wrote it especially for this release.

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The Met Office says this to describe their own release:

The database consists of the “value added” product that has been quality controlled and adjusted to account for identified non-climatic influences. It is the station subset of this value-added product that we have released. Adjustments were only applied to a subset of the stations so in many cases the data provided are the underlying data minus any obviously erroneous values removed by quality control. The Met Office do not hold information as to adjustments that were applied and so cannot advise as to which stations are underlying data only and which contain adjustments.

The Met Office now appears to be saying that even it does not know which numbers are raw data and which are adjusted data, nor which adjustments were made.

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: climatechangedata; climategate; globalwarming; gorebullwarming; hadleycru; hadleycrut
The official Climate Temperature record, forming the basis of the UN IPCC Global Warming claims, cannot be definitively traced back to the actual measured data. There were many Third World nations seeking long term payments from the recent UN IPCC climate conference in Copenhagen. It seems a foregone conclusion that these rent seeking countries will act in their best interests and make their own adjustments to the "raw" data they collect before it is made available to rich countries.

Identifying the fraud will be much more difficult to prove when the fraud occurs prior to release by Third World payment-seeking national sources.

1 posted on 12/24/2009 7:04:46 AM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

I believe at this point...raw data no longer exists on the face of Earth. We might as well accept the fact that everyone is now operating under some disguise of “improved” or “altered” data. I don’t see why we couldn’t even alter our age with this new concept of ‘reality’.


2 posted on 12/24/2009 7:12:07 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: ricks_place

They should have quit while they were behind.


3 posted on 12/24/2009 7:13:03 AM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: ricks_place

If one cannot produce the core data used and also be able to trace the methodology pipeline back to the actual raw data, then their procedures are not replicable nor able to be scrutinized via a real peer review process.

“Garbage” would be the term most scientists would use to describe such a resultant data set.


4 posted on 12/24/2009 7:18:28 AM PST by rod1
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To: savedbygrace

No one doing scientific research destroys or loses data. I own an Industrial Hygiene firm. We throw NOTHING away. If we ever get called to court, we must be able to substantiate everything. The destruction of data because they “didn’t have room” at their new digs doesn’t pass the smell test. Definite coverup. These guys have committed fraud and are guilty of conspiracy, using public monies, and must go to jail. Albore didn’t do the research, so lacking a clear link to the research, was probably a willing dupe. Which just proves he is an idiot. The scientists who have been vindicated must sue the people who have damaged their careers. Maybe the legal system can finally be put to good use.


5 posted on 12/24/2009 7:29:19 AM PST by TStro
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To: ricks_place

Something strikes me odd about that picture. I don’t think I would put a trash burn barrel on top of a flammable wooden pallet!


6 posted on 12/24/2009 7:36:18 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: pepsionice
We might as well accept the fact that everyone is now operating under some disguise of “improved” or “altered” data.

Hey! Why look a gift horse in the mouth?

These are "value added" data. What more could an inquisitive mind want?

Except the raw data.

7 posted on 12/24/2009 10:20:12 AM PST by Ole Okie
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8 posted on 12/24/2009 1:06:40 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Don't eat your dog; eat obnoxious, liberal humans to save the planet!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

marked for later.


9 posted on 12/24/2009 1:13:45 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: ricks_place; NormsRevenge; Oynx; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks
The database consists of the “value added” product that has been quality controlled and adjusted to further the CAUSE
10 posted on 12/24/2009 2:04:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Thanks for the ping....what a mess....
11 posted on 12/24/2009 2:06:07 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I think the Wattsup website has a lot of those kind of photos...

I am not sure what the precise name of the website is...mcIntyre's is "Climate Audit" I think.

12 posted on 12/24/2009 2:14:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: All
Climate Audit by Steve McIntyre

And :

wattsupwiththat.com

13 posted on 12/24/2009 2:18:03 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: ricks_place
From the Whatsup website:

The Climategate Timeline: 30 years visualized

*******************************EXCERPT******************************

Here’s a Spectacular Poster of ClimateGate covering 3 decades

PDF file.

14 posted on 12/24/2009 2:22:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh yeah! There are some really damning photos. Like the one at the firestation. But this one just doesn’t ring true to me, and I wouldn’t use it as an example. A trash-burning barrel sitting on a wooden palette? Nah!


15 posted on 12/24/2009 2:44:23 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Another point about that station; on a hot Summer’s day? 85 degrees, and someone burns some trash? That thermometer would read like 150 degrees. I just don’t like this one photo.


16 posted on 12/24/2009 2:46:14 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I decided to post this as it's own thread...from JoNova website in Australia:

ClimateGate: 30 years in the making ( PDF File with great Detail Available)

17 posted on 12/24/2009 3:43:06 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I decided to download the 62mb FOI2009.zip file from one ftp site the examiner references.
Now I can get at all the stuff first hand. Text files, easily read by any text editor on Linux or a Windoze based system and I would assume on any MAC based system. There are sub dirs for documents where on can use MS WORD, or NOTEPAD, or again if you use Linux VI will read them, as well as a sub dir on a large set of emails with a ".txt" suffix.
I am using VI on my windoze box as well as MS WORD.
This is the whole shooting match the insider offered to the outside world.
One site you can download the zip file from is Here

NOTE: Make sure you insert the suggested letter/number sequence in the top right window box and choose Regular download. It took less then eleven minutes on my system where my ISP is Verizon and I use the vanilla 780K service.
NOTE to Ernest. All the Siberian tree ring stuff is located in a sub dir. I have hardly had time to really start to wade into these stuff.
18 posted on 12/24/2009 8:04:30 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....)
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19 posted on 12/25/2009 6:29:24 AM PST by steelyourfaith (Don't start the revolution without me.)
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20 posted on 12/25/2009 7:07:34 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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