Pagan Propaganda: The Other Attack on Christmas

American Thinker ^ | December 24, 2009 | Selwyn Duke

[brent13a]

We do live in these free United States, and it is everyone's right to worship however they want.
I choose to recognize that putting out a dressed-up object on a pedestal ("christmas tree"), giving that object sacrifices (spending your own money on presents), and expecting presents in return for those sacrifices is patent idolatry. It is nothing short of idolatry and an insult to the worship of Jesus' birth.
If others choose to be blind, and accept the threadbare argument that it is tradition and thereby OK, then that is your right. If you choose to believe that mans' tradition "usurps" G-d's Law then that is your right (here in the US).
But DO NOT tell me that I am un-american and an un-believer and I won't call you the same. If that's your opinion you're nothing to me.

[Petronski]

I choose to recognize that putting out a dressed-up object on a pedestal ("christmas tree"), giving that object sacrifices (spending your own money on presents), and expecting presents in return for those sacrifices is patent idolatry. It is nothing short of idolatry and an insult to the worship of Jesus' birth.

ROFLMAOAPIMPRFI

[Petronski]

Do you accept the Nicene Creed?

Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?

Do you call yourself Christian?

[Petronski]

Show me a “follower” of Christ who does NOT believe the Nicean Creed of AD 325...

Are you a follower of Christ?

[Petronski]

See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men...

I do that every time I rebuke your own personal interpretation of redacted Scripture.

[brent13a]

Since I need to break it down:
I.....
Believe Jesus is the Messiah
Use both the Old Testament and the New Testament (am also Torah Observant)
Use Hebrew and Aramaic New Testament source texts
Believe Jesus is the Son of God
Believe in the Virgin Birth

.....drumroll please.....I do not call myself a Christian

I also consider myself a rightwing conservative and I own quite a few guns and prefer Sarah Palin over any other conservative candidate out there.

but hey, what does it matter because I am a heretic and since I don't call myself a christian I therefore am an un-american, anti-god, atheist-sympathizer.
Right, Petronski?

[brent13a]

So to be a "follower of Christ" it is a requirement to "believe the Nicean Creed of AD 325"?

Can you show me in the original OT/NT Scripture where Jesus stated that to be a believer in His Father that you are required to "believe in the Nicene Creed"?

Weird, I must be missing where the Nicene Creed of AD 325 was ever recited by Jesus or He stated it was a requirement of His.

[brent13a]

I forgot to add to my list of personal beliefs (that you inquired about) that I also do not subscribe to Supersessionism/Replacement Theology.

That would probably be why I don't call myself a "christian". Replacement Theology is the foundation of christianity.

[Coleus]

[Petronski]

That would probably be why I don't call myself a "christian".

In light of this, your previous post is revealed as sophistry.

[Petronski]

...I am a heretic and since I don't call myself a christian I therefore am an un-american, anti-god, atheist-sympathizer.

YOUR words, not mine.

[Petronski]

I no longer will tolerate being lectured about my faith in Christ by non-Christians.

Thanks for help to that end.

[brent13a]

In light of this, your previous post is revealed as sophistry.

Eh, right back at you, hardcharger.

YOUR words, not mine.

Negative, Selwyn Duke's words....his implications.....and you agree.

[Petronski]

Negative, Selwyn Duke's words....his implications.....and you agree.

Now you make yourself a liar.

[Petronski]

So to be a "follower of Christ" it is a requirement to "believe the Nicean Creed of AD 325"?

I never said that.

Can you show me in the original OT/NT Scripture...

"The original?"

...where Jesus stated that to be a believer in His Father that you are required to "believe in the Nicene Creed"?

Whoops, you missed again.

Weird, I must be missing where the Nicene Creed of AD 325 was ever recited by Jesus or He stated it was a requirement of His.

Strike three slugger.

[brent13a]

I'm still curious as to where the Nicene Creed of AD 325 was ever recited by Jesus or He stated it was a requirement of His to be considered a "believer in Christ".

[Petronski]

I'm still curious as to where the Nicene Creed of AD 325 was ever recited by Jesus or He stated it was a requirement of His to be considered a "believer in Christ".

I'm still curious as to how that question matters, or why you ask.

[brent13a]

Strike three slugger.

Then what was the exact point of your original question?

Do you accept the Nicene Creed? Do you believe in the Holy Trinity? Do you call yourself Christian?

Your whole post implies you believe it is a requirement to ascribe to and believe in the Nicene Creed to be a follower of Christ.

[brent13a]

Because you asked me about it in Post 83.

[Petronski]

Your whole post implies you believe it is a requirement to ascribe to and believe in the Nicene Creed to be a follower of Christ.

Actually, I asked three questions, looking for three answers.

You answered one upthread (you do not call yourself a Christian). The other two remain unanswered.

You're not required to answer, of course.

I just like to know when I'm being lectured on my faith in Christ by a non-Christian.