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The Dems' political payoff (The Dems think strategically, the GOP think tactically)
Powerline ^ | 12/22/2009 | Scott Johnson

Posted on 12/23/2009 9:56:43 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 12/23/2009 9:56:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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“My guess is that the Dems are betting that the economy will improve enough to prevent their political setbacks from being severe.”

Then why is it that EVERY THING they’re doing is making things worse for the private sector?

By design?


2 posted on 12/23/2009 9:59:31 AM PST by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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To: SeekAndFind
The Democrats don't care. They know once an entitlement is established, its politically impossible to reverse it. That's entire point to enacting Obamacare now. Even if the GOP takes over Congress next year, President Obama still has the veto and remains relevant. The prospects the GOP can enact its agenda in the next two years is NONE. Write that home, folks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

3 posted on 12/23/2009 9:59:51 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind
Republicans will lack the commitment

Key phrase.

4 posted on 12/23/2009 10:00:22 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: SeekAndFind

If they are betting on an improved economy they must be planning on legalizing and unionizing Santa’s elves when they immigrate here due to the thawing of the North Pole.

The last three Presidents are known to have indulged in recreational substance abuse. The results are showing not merely for them, but their generation.


5 posted on 12/23/2009 10:01:33 AM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: Oatka
Of course. The GOP is afraid of its own shadow. The Democrats don't care about the polls. The GOP and Free Republic are blindly in love with them.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

6 posted on 12/23/2009 10:03:22 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TruthHound
Then why is it that EVERY THING they’re doing is making things worse for the private sector?

By design?


Bingo !! The long term plan of Dems is to Socialize the USA and make it more like the welfare states of Europe.

They see 2009 and early to mid 2010 as their BEST HOPE of achieving this goal as they own the executive and legislative branches.

Socialism is creeping in this country and has been accelerating the past year.
7 posted on 12/23/2009 10:03:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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I’ve also figured out why the “benefits” don’t start for five years or so. When they do start, and suck, as we all know they will, the brain dead, history ignorant American public will accept it when the American Socialist Party and the SRM blame Republicans and Bush.


8 posted on 12/23/2009 10:04:12 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Maureen Dowd is right. I DON'T like our President's color. He's a Red.)
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Acting like a bull in a china shop is not thinking "strategically".

I think that the fact that the Dems cobbled this bill together in whatever way, shape or form they could shows that they are far from thinking strategically. Ozero's ramshackle approach to Copenhagen displays the same.

9 posted on 12/23/2009 10:05:18 AM PST by what's up
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The Republican's wrists have gone limp. The thing is, we will have big gains as I hope all the house will be fired in 2010. But without the presidency, we will not get much done in two years and the media will frame us as obstructionist and the sentiment will not be the same for 2012 and we will not gain seats. Conservatism must win and make the hard changes that are necessary. Need a larger vision...
10 posted on 12/23/2009 10:05:41 AM PST by dubie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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They know once an entitlement is established, its politically impossible to reverse it.

There is the hope.

The bene's don't start until 2014 after the next Presidential election, while the pain in taxes start in 2011.

Democrats have their hopes entirely based on an economic recovery that won't happen with tax increases. Maybe they don't really have a grip on the economic pain out there living in their ivory tower as they do.

11 posted on 12/23/2009 10:05:59 AM PST by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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Republicans are pussies. They want to be “liked” by the press. See John Nancy-boy McCain as an example: His political base is the DC beltway press/media.

Then take a look at the northeastern GOP: blue-blood tea-n-crumpet types with spines of overcooked linguine, mincing dandies and semi-pinkish rich boys like Weld, et al. And when someone does show some spine, they get into bad associations with dim-bulbs like Sean Hannity, who couldn’t explain how or why Wall Street melted down, he just repeats some moronic talking point that was fax’ed to him.

There’s a reason why people are furious.


12 posted on 12/23/2009 10:06:11 AM PST by NVDave
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To: SeekAndFind

Yep. The REPUBs are trying to decide how big the tent should be that they are trying to pitch in an low-lying open field while the RATS are building a boat to use as they burst the dam a half-mile away.


13 posted on 12/23/2009 10:08:40 AM PST by rod1
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FR blindly in love with what?


14 posted on 12/23/2009 10:09:26 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: goldstategop
I saw an interesting thread on State Nullification and the tenth ammendment.

We may get some states that refuse to comply, as Health Care and Insurance are not enumerated rights in the constitution and will not be enforced at the Federal level.

Will the Feds want to force this on us by point of Gun? I'm sure they will consider it.

15 posted on 12/23/2009 10:11:46 AM PST by PA-RIVER
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Polls. Conservatives give a damn about them. They want to be liked. When Democrats have power, they do what benefits them in the long term regardless of the costs. Timorous Republicans refused to privatize Social Security when they had the power. Now they lack the means to preserve America's founding values. The irony is so thick you could slice through it with a knife.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

16 posted on 12/23/2009 10:19:51 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

Typical Stalinists two steps forward one back, power for power’s sake. When they get power they use it you never see them back down and apologize.


17 posted on 12/23/2009 10:22:45 AM PST by YankeeReb (There's no such thing as Free Health care OR a JOBLESS RECOVERY)
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To: goldstategop

I am beginning to wonder if anyone is for the people.


18 posted on 12/23/2009 10:22:54 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: dubie
I'd like to know where conservatives want to lead the country. The Democrats stand to benefit from gridlock. Our side needs to reverse their policies, they don't. And we won't get a filibuster proof 60 vote margin in the Senate to stave off Dem obstructionism. And the President has the veto, which he will use to thwart GOP bills. Forget about a pro-freedom, low tax, pro-life agenda in the next Congress.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

19 posted on 12/23/2009 10:23:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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There is a third strategy. It is the strategy of manufactured crisis. Intentional destruction of Capitalism by bankrupting the USA. Of course there are no winners there but putting the pieces together would make socialism a much easier sell.


20 posted on 12/23/2009 10:30:16 AM PST by Typical_Whitey (Eric Holder and Obama are making a mockery of our justice system.)
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