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To: yoe
George Mabry II, one of the most decorated American officers of WWII was very strict with his men about the treatment of prisoners and demanded that no counter-atrocities be committed.

Such policies save American lives because the enemy is more likely to surrender sooner when the tactical situation is not in his favor.

Americans have a reputation of treating prisoners well and this reputation helps our soldiers. We do not want the enemy to fight to the last round or try to break out from a surrounded position which they likely will do if they think that they will be tortured and killed if captured.

12 posted on 12/23/2009 8:00:03 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Such policies save American lives because the enemy is more likely to surrender sooner when the tactical situation is not in his favor.

I agree. Hitler actually issued a special Fueherbefehl (Order from the Fuehrer) just prior the to the Ardennes Offensive ordering the German Army to show the enemy no mercy. He clearly intended for the level of savagery on the West to match that on the East.

It had become apparent to the German soldier that he was probably better off surrendering to the Western Allies than fighting to bitter end. The German soldier by this time had no particular fondness for the political leadership and many on the Western front were too well aware of the lopsided Allied material advantage to hold out much hope of victory. They fought on more out of dogged loyalty to their homeland.

For the most part, much needless bloodletting was avoided on the Western Front and Germans did not generally fear surrendering to Americans or British troops and treated prisoners as decently as conditions permitted, despite Hitler's efforts. (Many of their comrades were Allied prisoners and it was a prospect they all faced.) Even for the SS, Malmedy seemed more an aberration than the norm.

16 posted on 12/23/2009 8:20:34 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The CRU needs adult supervision.)
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To: Monterrosa-24
Such policies save American lives because . . .

Maybe. In every "war" or war-like conflict in history, more 'troops' (including irregulars) have surrendered or just quit than were actually rendered ineffective through direct combat (casualties or captured). Working on the morale of the enemy - including convincing them that they're better off surrendering than continuing to fight - is very effective.

However, when the enemy chooses to disregard the rules of war - and gets away with it - things change. That encourages the next enemy to go even further to violate the 'rules' of war. And from that you get bodies burned and hung from a bridge, or heads hacked off with a knife.

Having enemies that feel they can get away with that and be treated in accordance with the Geneva convention if they are ever caught . . . that doesn't save American lives.
23 posted on 12/23/2009 8:33:26 AM PST by Phlyer
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To: Monterrosa-24
Such policies save American lives because the enemy is more likely to surrender sooner when the tactical situation is not in his favor.

This is true when you are fighting regular troops, but it is just a tactic to be exploited by fanatics. The Japanese were not impressed and frequently did fight to the last round. Similarly, terrorists are not prone to such western concepts of self preservation because the entire point of their actions is to win or die as a martyr.

And I am sick of hearing about our enhanced interrogation techniques creating more terrorists. I am not aware of a single American POW since WWII who was not tortured or at least had the crap beat out of him after capture. Why? Because they know they can do it with impunity and there will be no similar response to their side.

Each conflict should be evaluated individually and our policies based on one thing and that is how they treat our troops. If you give our guys a break we will do the same. If you ignore international norms we will not bind ourselves to them unilaterally.

36 posted on 12/23/2009 11:06:07 AM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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