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To: DoughtyOne; sickoflibs; randomhero97; mkjessup
Do you think it’s over the top?

No. I think it's dead on accurate.

19 posted on 12/22/2009 7:47:04 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Purge the RINOs! * http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385
Rab, you cannot be serious. This would be akin to blaming the establishment of Nazi concentration camps on FDR.

The financial calamity was born of machinations set forth by the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977 which forced banks to write high risk loans under threat of crippling penalties; these were loans that would not have otherwise been written if the free market were to freely operate without detrimental regs and forced mandates. Most of the loans were long established before GWB had been elected.

To blame the current Constitutional crisis on President George W. Bush and Rove is beyond preposterous.

47 posted on 12/22/2009 8:17:28 PM PST by Mengerian
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To: rabscuttle385; Democrat_media
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

President Sends '06 Budget to Congress Programs Are Cut, But War Costs Are Not Included By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 8, 2005;

President Bush sent Congress a $2.57 trillion federal budget yesterday that is designed to project U.S. power and priorities overseas while squeezing government programs at home but would not make a sizable dent in the nation's record deficit next year, despite politically painful cuts. While pumping more money into the Pentagon and foreign aid programs, the budget for the 2006 fiscal year would slash funding for a broad array of other government services as part of the deepest domestic reductions proposed since the Reagan era. In the long term, the fiscal plan envisions holding non-security discretionary spending flat for the next five years to fulfill Bush's promise to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

"To offset those increases (in military spending), the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are neeeded to pass any bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

1. Media lie number 1:"Republicans increased government spending". Republicans did not increase spending: Proof is below.

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are needed to pass any bill.

1. Media lie number 1:"Republicans increased government spending". Republicans did not increase spending: Proof is below.The following excerpt says that Bush held discretionary spending flat. Actually when inflation is taken into account there is a huge decrease in discretionary government spending. Furthermore, the only discretionary spending increases were for the military and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and for national security. So the "spending increases" were just for the military and were really just inflation. So you GOP hating "Conservatives" parrot the liberal media lies. Do you oppose the wars and the military buildup by Bush and Reagan ? If you oppose military spending increases then you are not conservatives. You and the media do not make that distinction that Bush cut domestic discretionary spending while increasing the rest of the discretionary spending , the military.

Only in an article probably published once a year on page 29 will you find this truth.Otherwise every second from 1000 media outlets the media says "Republicans increased spending" conveniently not taking into account discretionary domestic spending cuts, military spending, mandatory spending and inflation. So the media spins and lies and many "conservatives" buy those lies of the media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

President Sends '06 Budget to Congress Programs Are Cut, But War Costs Are Not Included By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 8, 2005;

President Bush sent Congress a $2.57 trillion federal budget yesterday that is designed to project U.S. power and priorities overseas while squeezing government programs at home but would not make a sizable dent in the nation's record deficit next year, despite politically painful cuts. While pumping more money into the Pentagon and foreign aid programs, the budget for the 2006 fiscal year would slash funding for a broad array of other government services as part of the deepest domestic reductions proposed since the Reagan era. In the long term, the fiscal plan envisions holding non-security discretionary spending flat for the next five years to fulfill Bush's promise to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

"To offset those increases (in military spending), the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are neeeded to pass any bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

108th Congress (2003-2005) Majority Party: Republican (51 seats) Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats) Other Parties: Independent (1 seat) Total Seats: 100 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

109th Congress (2005-2007) Majority Party: Republican (55 seats) Minority Party: Democrat (44 seats) Other Parties: Independent (1 seat) Total Seats: 100

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

For any bill, including any spending bill, to become law it needs to get to the floor of the Senate. The only way a bill can get to the floor is for 60 out of the 100 Senators to vote for it to get to the floor. Otherwise if the bill only gets less than 60 , 59 , 58, 57 ... etc. the bill dies.

Any bill will die if it doesn't get 60 votes to get to the floor of the Senate. Republicans had only 55 Republicans in the Senate. So Republicans never had control of the Senate. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with the Democrats to get any bill passed. All bills,including all spending bills had to also be approved by democrats. So liberal media lie number one was that the media called it the "Republican controlled Congress".It wasn't . So Republicans were not responsible for any of "spending increases" the liberal media lied about.

NOW the Democrats do control the Senate because they control 60 votes. That is a democrat controlled senate and so it is a democrat controlled Congress. Before when the Republicans held only a bare majority of 55 the senate was a Republican-Democrat Senate and so was the Congress. It was never a "Republican Controlled Congress".Plus only for a mere 4 years did the Republicans have a bare majority. NEVER did Republicans have 60 votes in the Senate therefore NEVER was there a "Republican controlled Senate nor a "Republican Controlled congress". The liberal media made it seem as if the Republicans had a dictatorship. But that's not how the U.S. government works. You "conservatives" who hate the GOP have no clue as to how the government works, economics of anything. That's why all of you fall for the lies the liberal media invents to demonize Republicans. So you all become their puppets and turn against the GOP as was the media's goal.

Bush couldn't wave his hand and pass a bill .No for any spending Bush would have to wait for the Senate to pass a bill. The Republicans needed to fund the military etc. and so they had to pass spending bills and so they had to compromise with the Democrats to get 60 votes. Even in this Republican-Democrat Congress Republicans still managed to cut hundreds of government programs and cut discretionary government spending WHEN INFLATION is taken into account. This is shown in the article reference below.

So liberal media lie number 2 was that "Republicans spent like drunken sailors".First of all Republicans never could spend a thing as Republicans never had control of the Senate. Republicans never had a dictatorship. Republicans had to make deals with the Democrats to get the Democrat party to go along with them to reach the 60 votes needed to pass any bill.

If Republicans had 60 votes then you could hold them responsible but not with 55 votes. A more accurate statement would be in spite of the media and after compromising with Democrats, Republicans with only a bare majority managed to cut a deal with Democrats to cut spending and hundreds of government programs.

Do you understand simple math?60 is greater than 55. Get it now?

The following graph shows Republicans decreased the number of government workers:

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democrat_media's post omits the fact that democrats were the majority from 2006 through 2008 and they loaded defense bills with outlandish earmarks and other high priced legislation knowing that Bush had to sign it in order to fund the wars and the troops.

The blame Bush and now Rove would be laughable were it not so sick. I can see the KOS and DU believing such nonsense, but people here? Sheeeesh.

73 posted on 12/22/2009 8:53:53 PM PST by onyx
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To: rabscuttle385; DoughtyOne; All
Do you think it's over the top?
No, I think it's dead on accurate.


As I said to another BushBot, prove the facts of the article WRONG, instead of just mindlessly assailing the author and/or the Freepers who agree with the article and THEN they might be getting somewhere.

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105 posted on 12/23/2009 12:27:55 AM PST by mkjessup (The only GOOD RINO is .... wait a minute, there IS no such damn thing as a "good RINO" !!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I was just checking to see what your comment actually meant, pro vs con.


125 posted on 12/23/2009 6:41:50 AM PST by DoughtyOne (H.C. Bill, saves more in second decade, despite taxation w/o benefits for first 4 years. Suuurre...)
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