Posted on 12/21/2009 7:23:39 AM PST by captjanaway
Students of history know that history repeats itself. Today we are reliving the past of 1880s. The similarities between the 21st President and the 44th are startling, and the ramifications are huge.
President Chester A. Arthur was the son of an Irish immigrant, William Arthur, and Vermonter , Malvina Stone. Arthur would tragically assume the Presidency upon the assassination of President Garfield in 1881 and become the 21st President. President Arthur was successful in keeping the secret of his heritage, and he died shortly after leaving the White House November 18, 1886. He served honorably and well as President of the United States, but was not Constitutionally Qualified for the Office of either Vice President or President, and set a precedent by which it would happen again.
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It’s clear that we have been barking up the wrong tree. Where Obama was born doesn’t actually matter. His father was a UK citizen, never an American citizen, so no matter where his birthplace was, Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States.
The SCOTUS should take steps to have him removed and incarcerated immediately. ANY laws, bills, acts, treaties, proclamations, etc. should be null and void.
Liars can not possibly serve honorably. He knew, just as the current usurper knows, he wasn't eligible and did everything he could to keep it quiet.
“The SCOTUS should take steps to have him removed and incarcerated immediately. ANY laws, bills, acts, treaties, proclamations, etc. should be null and void.”
That might be the only way out of this disaster the treasonous pigs are willingly leading us into.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court is populated by leftists - lying, corrupt, anti-American scum.
But we’ll never know about that, because our media is ALSO populated by leftists (a.k.a. lying, corrupt, anti-American scum).
And most people don’t have the mental ability to distinguish fact from propaganda anymore because they’ve been “educated” by the public school system... populated by, well, guess who.
Somehow, we need to overcome this, and we need to find a way to win against them. A good leader or two might be the place to start (sigh) - unfortunately, our party has been infiltrated by the enemy TOO. (double sigh).
I think I need come cheering up this morning.
[make that SOME cheering up this morning]
>>>During the campaign of 1880, questions were asked about Chester’s birth place, but just as today, those doing the research were looking in the wrong direction. Arthur’s father, William Arthur was a British citizen at the time of the future President’s birth. Born in Ballymena, Ireland in 1796 he would not become a Naturalized citizen until August 31st, 1843. No one ever checked into his immigration status at the time of his son’s birth. <<<
Wouldn’t this suggest that those investigating Arthur’s background did not think the immigration status of Arthur’s father relevant to Arthur’s natural born citizen status, and that only Arthur’s birthplace was relevant?
This, of course, does not prove that one born on American soil to one American citizen and one foreign national is a NBC, but, if anything, the Chester A. Arthur story, seems to hurt that particular birther argument, not help it.
If you will all notice, the exception is for illegitimate children born to US citizens on US soil.
That is what he is hiding by keeping his BC secret.
Is there any evidence that anyone at the time (i.e., when Arthur became a VP candidate) knew that Arthur’s father wasn’t a US citizen at the time his son was born?
You are correct on ALL points.
I'm just dreaming of a Country where The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and adhered to. I grew up in that Country, but I'm sad to say it doesn't exist anymore.
If they weren’t married they couldn’t have been divorced.
This is pretty much pure bunk! Though Arthur’s father wasn’t naturalized until 1843, his mother was a Vermonter and, unlike BHO, there is no dispute about the place of Arthur’s birth. Besides, making the argument about a father who was an alien is a legal stretch. What about George Washington’s, John Adams’, Thomas Jefferson’s, James Madison’s, James Monroe’s fathers—THEY WERE ALL TECHNICALLY BRITISH SUBJECTS TOO!
But Washington, Adams, etc., were citizens at the time the Constitution was adopted. Look closely at the wording. Natural born applies to those born afterward. The parents have to be citizens for a child to be natural born.
Be quiet dammit! You're interfering with some good rants.
Then inform me, pray tell, how would you characterize BOTH of Andrew Jackson's parents? (He was born approximately one year after they both immigrated from Ireland and apparently never bothered to get naturalized).
BUMP for later read
But I don't expect you to know that, given your demonstrated feeble knowledge of matters relating to the Constitution.
Andrew Jackson was born in the Waxhaws area, near the border between North and South Carolina, on March 15, 1767 ... i.e. within the Colonies and BEFORE the establishment of the current US Constitution. He qualifies on THAT basis.
so if i understand this correctly
we have never enforced the constitutional test for qualification for POTUS...forgetting any arguments about how to interpret the clause....we (this nation) have never mounted a challenge to any POTUS based on this clause...
and we never will.
therefore this ventilating about BHO birth is a waste of time....except if he was not actually born in Hawaii...then it would be a unique situation and pehaps be subject to challenge.
is that approximately your view on this subject?
Wrong (demonstrating your feeble knowledge of the Constitution)...the wording goes: "No person except a natural born citizen at the time of the adoption of the Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained the age of thirty five years and been fourteen years a resident within the United States." Nothing is stated about parentage!
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