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Democrats’ Health Bill Passes Key Senate Vote
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34498942/ns/politics-health_care_reform/ ^ | December 20th 2009

Posted on 12/20/2009 10:28:04 PM PST by Steelfish

Democrats’ Health Bill Passes Key Senate Vote Republicans pledge to fight on despite losing early Monday

WASHINGTON - Senate Democrats’ health care overhaul passed a key test in a party-line vote early Monday, in a dramatic defeat for Republicans that put the legislation on track for Christmas-week passage.

In the run-up to the vote, the escalation in rhetoric was remarkable on both sides of an issue that has divided the two political parties for months.

"This process is not legislation. This process is corruption," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., referring to the last-minute flurry of dealmaking that enabled Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and the White House to lock in the 60 votes needed to approve the legislation.

Democratic Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island responded in near-Biblical terms. In a speech on the Senate floor, he said Republicans are embarked on a "no-holds barred mission of propaganda, obstruction and fear. ... There will be a reckoning. There will come a day of judgment about who was telling the truth."

First 60-vote test coming up Whatever else it was, the legislation represented the culmination of a year's work for Democrats, pressed by President Barack Obama to remake the nation's health care system.

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To: Steelfish
The biggest reason the Rats are doing this so close to Christmas is that everyone is preoccupied with Christmas.

The Dems are some real sneaky bastards.

181 posted on 12/21/2009 9:00:15 PM PST by TheThinker
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To: VicVega
The liberal media and liberals also said Republican President Reagan was the biggest spender ever. That was another lie. There is a thing called
inflation, military buildup and mandatory spending and other
factors. You and other “conservatives” who bash the GOP have no
clue about anything.

The number of government workers is far more accurate than the
dollar figure in determining who really increases the size of
government. To demonize Reagan, Bush and the GOP as “spending like
drunken sailors” the liberal mainstream media just uses the dollar
figure and doesn't tell you other factors like many more Seniors
retiring and getting more social security checks that have cost of
living increases added, government mandatory spending increases,
inflation , wars etc. I showed that the number of government
workers decreased during the time Republicans controlled congress.

You say the same things liberals/democrat/Marxists say. So you are
a democrat. All you and liberals do is slander the
GOP anyone who supports the GOP. If it walks like a democrat and talks like a democrat then you are a democrat.

I've debated many liberals/democrats on other forums and they say exactly to a T what you say, “that the GOP spent like drunken sailors, blah blah blah”, “that Regan and Bush were the biggest spenders ever blah blah blah” , the liberal mainstream media talking points against the Republican party. All lies. liberals, all they do is lie. All the media does is lie. Plus if that were true about the GOP or if liberals really believed that you'd think liberals and the media would love the GOP because liberals love big government but the Media and liberals loathe the GOP just as much as you “conservatives” who bash the GOP. That's because you are a democrat .You are fooling no one and convincing no one to help you destroy the GOP more so that your Democrat/Marxists can have no viable oppossition and therefore more of a dictatorship.

All you and liberals do is slander the
GOP anyone who supports the GOP

It's like comparing the dollar figure that a movie makes today to one in the 1960’s. The media spins and lies and many “conservatives” who know nothing and have the intellect of watermelon buy the liberal media lies. Liberals/Democrats/Marxists and their mainstream media are the people of the lie. And many “conservatives” buy those slanderous lies against the GOP which the media blasted from 1000’s of media outlets every second for 12 years.

You are incapable of understanding any kind of logic, facts or reason.

182 posted on 12/21/2009 11:10:15 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: John S Mosby; servantboy777; castlegreyskull; LZ_Bayonet; PSYCHO-FREEP; VicVega; ...
This which is buried in an article PROVES that Bush and the Republican Congress abolished 150 government programs and cut DISCRETIONARY domestic government spending:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

"To offset those increases, the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

Every second for decades,from a thousand media outlets, the liberal media satanically invented lies to demonize President Reagan, Bush, and the Republican congress as being "the biggest spenders ever" , "spending like drunken sailors", "blah blah blah", etc.. Liberals in other forums have used these "arguments" against me like I'm going to buy them. But obviously many "conservatives" did buy the media's lies meant to destroy the GOP and so these "conservatives" are puppets of the puppet master Marxists that control the media.

These lies demonizing the GOP as being record spenders are all media manufactured lies. The democrats/liberals/Marxists and their media are the people of the lie. Reagan cut taxes from 72% to 28% and drastically reduced government regulations on the engine of the economy , the private sector (capitalism), unleashing free market almost laissez faire capitalism. God bless you President Reagan. The U.S. must adopt laissez faire capitalism again as it did in the 1800's.As I prove with references below, Bush and the Republican congress cut discretionary domestic spending, abolished 150 government programs, and cut taxes.

Yet for posting logical analysis disproving the media's lies , many "conservatives" here call me a RINO (LOL), RINO lover ( LOL I hate McCain and the 14% of RINOs in the GOP) and even a seminar poster ( LOL LOL LOL LOL). and these "conservatives" show no proof but just name call and slander the GOP with the exact same things liberals and the liberal media say to demonize the GOP. If it talks like a democrat, if it walks like a democrat then it is a democrat. Some of these "conservatives" of the many on this forum who do all that and especially attack me personally and slander the GOP with liberal media talking points include : PSYCHO-FREEP;VicVega; servantboy777;. Because a few liberal lunatics like McCain decide for political expediency to call themselves Republicans, these anti-GOP "conservatives" would have us throw out the baby with the bath water, destroying the GOP ,the only viable opposition to the Democrats/Marxists.This is the goal of the media to turn conservatives against the GOP so that the GOP is destroyed. With the GOP destroyed the Democrats/Marxists have no viable opposition. Therefore Democrats have a dictatorship. Democrats can then turn the U.S.A into a socialist 3rd world hell hole. And democrats will do this with the help of 100 million illegals and their families back home who democrats will give Amnesty to so as to create 100 million new democrat voters.

This which is buried in an article PROVES that Bush and the Republican Congress abolished 150 government programs and cut DISCRETIONARY domestic government spending:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

"To offset those increases, the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

1. “My stupid graphs” showed that the number of government workers decreased during the time Republicans controlled congress. The number of government workers is much more accurate than dollar figures in determining who really grew the government as there are little things like inflation, mandatory spending ,military spending, social security cost of living increases , more seniors retiring and getting more social security checks etc.

2.You want to talk about tax rates? Republican congress, Bush and Reagan decreased tax rates. for the 60 years democrats controlled congress democrats/Marxists created most of the thousand of government agencies and increased tax rates to over 70%. Reagan cut government regulations and tax rates to 28%. Go ahead and name the NUMBER of government agencies that The Republican congress created. I can name thousands of government agencies and programs that the Democrat congress ( circa 1930 to 1994) created and that were already in place when Republicans took control, practically all of them the SSI,medicare, medicaid,welfare, HUD,HHS,EPA, FEC,FCC,FDA, CDC, dept of education , dept of energy and thousands more.

Bush and the republican congress cut hundreds of government programs including the 150 government programs referenced above.

The number of government employees per thousand population actually decreased during Bush's presidency and during the time that the Republicans controlled Congress. Of course the liberal mainstream media ran stories every day how the Republicans were increasing government size ("spending") by record amounts.And government educated "conservatives" who have no clue about anything including economics bought that lie every day and so got angry and turned against the GOP which was the liberal media's goal.

Any "spending increases" were for mandatory spending increases mandated by the government machine and agencies the Democrats built since the late 1800's starting with the government schools. Also the Afghanistan and Iraq wars,9/11, and inflation were the "spending increases".

graph

Long live capitalism, America, and freedom. This will not stand, us the men and women of freedom will not allow it to. I promise you that. May God give us courage.

Long live the Republican party, Republican Governor Sarah Palin, Republican senator Tom Coburn, Republican Senator Demint.

The alliance of the liberal media, liberals and anti-GOP "conservatives" destroyed the GOP. So much so that now all we have is ourselves, WE the people to stop the Democrats/Marxists and their big government. God help us. May God give us the courage to do what we have to do to save America, our way of life,government of the people by the people and for the people, and freedom itself.

Long live the protector of the U.S border, the defender of faith and freedom, Long live REPUBLICAN Tom Tancredo!

183 posted on 12/22/2009 12:26:08 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: John S Mosby; servantboy777; castlegreyskull; LZ_Bayonet; PSYCHO-FREEP; VicVega; ...
The following excerpt which is buried in an article PROVES that Bush and the Republican Congress abolished 150 government programs and cut DISCRETIONARY domestic government spending:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

"To offset those increases, the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

Every second for decades,from a thousand media outlets, the liberal media satanically invented lies to demonize President Reagan, Bush, and the Republican congress as being "the biggest spenders ever" , "spending like drunken sailors", "blah blah blah", etc.. Liberals in other forums have used these "arguments" against me like I'm going to buy them. But obviously many "conservatives" did buy the media's lies meant to destroy the GOP and so these "conservatives" are puppets of the puppet master Marxists that control the media.

These lies demonizing the GOP as being record spenders are all media manufactured lies. The democrats/liberals/Marxists and their media are the people of the lie. Reagan cut taxes from 72% to 28% and drastically reduced government regulations on the engine of the economy , the private sector (capitalism), unleashing free market almost laissez faire capitalism. God bless you President Reagan. The U.S. must adopt laissez faire capitalism again as it did in the 1800's.As I prove with references below, Bush and the Republican congress cut discretionary domestic spending, abolished 150 government programs,reduced the number of government workers, and cut taxes.

Yet for posting logical analysis disproving the media's lies , many "conservatives" here call me a RINO (LOL), RINO lover ( LOL I hate McCain and the 14% of RINOs in the GOP) and even a seminar poster ( LOL LOL LOL LOL). and these "conservatives" show no proof but just name call and slander the GOP with the exact same things liberals and the liberal media say to demonize the GOP. If it talks like a democrat, if it walks like a democrat then it is a democrat. Some of these "conservatives" of the many on this forum who do all that and especially attack me personally and slander the GOP with liberal media talking points include : PSYCHO-FREEP;VicVega; servantboy777;. Because a few liberal lunatics like McCain decide for political expediency to call themselves Republicans, these anti-GOP "conservatives" would have us throw out the baby with the bath water, destroying the GOP ,the only viable opposition to the Democrats/Marxists.This is the goal of the media to turn conservatives against the GOP so that the GOP is destroyed. With the GOP destroyed the Democrats/Marxists have no viable opposition. Therefore Democrats have a dictatorship. Democrats can then turn the U.S.A into a socialist 3rd world hell hole. And democrats will do this with the help of 100 million illegals and their families back home who democrats will give Amnesty to so as to create 100 million new democrat voters.

This which is buried in an article PROVES that Bush and the Republican Congress abolished 150 government programs and cut DISCRETIONARY domestic government spending:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

"To offset those increases, the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

1. “My stupid graphs” showed that the number of government workers decreased during the time Republicans controlled congress. The number of government workers is much more accurate than dollar figures in determining who really grew the government as there are little things like inflation, mandatory spending ,military spending, social security cost of living increases , more seniors retiring and getting more social security checks etc.

2.You want to talk about tax rates? Republican congress, Bush and Reagan decreased tax rates. for the 60 years democrats controlled congress democrats/Marxists created most of the thousand of government agencies and increased tax rates to over 70%. Reagan cut government regulations and tax rates to 28%. Go ahead and name the NUMBER of government agencies that The Republican congress created. I can name thousands of government agencies and programs that the Democrat congress ( circa 1930 to 1994) created and that were already in place when Republicans took control, practically all of them the SSI,medicare, medicaid,welfare, HUD,HHS,EPA, FEC,FCC,FDA, CDC, dept of education , dept of energy and thousands more.

Bush and the republican congress cut hundreds of government programs including the 150 government programs referenced above.

The number of government employees per thousand population actually decreased during Bush's presidency and during the time that the Republicans controlled Congress. Of course the liberal mainstream media ran stories every day how the Republicans were increasing government size ("spending") by record amounts.And government educated "conservatives" who have no clue about anything including economics bought that lie every day and so got angry and turned against the GOP which was the liberal media's goal.

Any "spending increases" were for mandatory spending increases mandated by the government machine and agencies the Democrats built since the late 1800's starting with the government schools. Also the Afghanistan and Iraq wars,9/11, and inflation were the "spending increases".

graph

Long live capitalism, America, and freedom. This will not stand, us the men and women of freedom will not allow it to. I promise you that. May God give us courage.

Long live the Republican party, Republican Governor Sarah Palin, Republican senator Tom Coburn, Republican Senator Demint.

The alliance of the liberal media, liberals and anti-GOP "conservatives" destroyed the GOP. So much so that now all we have is ourselves, WE the people to stop the Democrats/Marxists and their big government. God help us. May God give us the courage to do what we have to do to save America, our way of life,government of the people by the people and for the people, and freedom itself.

Long live the protector of the U.S border, the defender of faith and freedom, Long live REPUBLICAN Tom Tancredo!

184 posted on 12/22/2009 12:30:01 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: Democrat_media; ohioWfan; holdonnow; SoCalPol; Fudd Fan; CedarDave; FreeReign; DrDeb; dmd25; ...

GOOD stuff. Thanks for your research and postings.

“Long live the Republican party, Republican Governor Sarah Palin, Republican senator Tom Coburn, Republican Senator Demint.”


185 posted on 12/22/2009 12:38:04 AM PST by onyx
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To: reader25
This vote shows the true colors of the DemocRATic party. Snakes one and all. They come in the night to steal the prosperity of future generations all in the name of some political agenda. SHAME ON THEM!!
There's no such thing as a good Democrat, no such thing as a moderate Democrat, no such thing as a Blue Dog Democrat.

They are all socialists.

They are all Pelosis.

Each and ever one of them.

186 posted on 12/22/2009 4:22:48 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Democrat_media

There’s a simple formula to support the GOP while changing the GOP (and it does need changing):

1. Vote for the most conservative GOP candidate in the primary.

2. Support the nominated GOP candidate (whoever it is) in the general election.

If everyone did these 2 things, we wouldn’t need to resort to calls for armed revolution, at least not yet.

Look, we just nominated the most liberal politician ever nominated by the modern GOP: John McCain. We lost (surprise! surprise!) and now suffer under a Marxist Democrat President.

To go from nominating John McCain to calling for armed revolution is stupid.

Let’s at least first give the ballot box a chance. Let’s all organize, really organize, and follow these 2 principles:

1. Vote for the most conservative GOP candidate in the primary.

2. Support the nominated GOP candidate (whoever it is) in the general election.

If all of us did that, the Marxists would definitely be defeated in America.

We don’t need to huddle in our basements with our guns.


187 posted on 12/22/2009 4:29:17 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Democrat_media
http://zfacts.com/p/461.html

Out of control spending by both Republican and Democrat leadership have saddled American citizens with draconian amounts of debt.

Local, State, Federal levies, taxes, fees and regulation along with an unprecedented shift of American wealth to foreign countries via deindustialization of America has led to the greatest erosion of American standard of living in this nations history.

The size and scope of government has steadily increased during Republican and or Democrat administrations.

The service industry of our economy is the fastest growing sector, replacing well paying industry positions for lower paying replacements.

Our leaders have become Oligarchs, ignoring the will of the people. Our government has become a government for, by, and of the corporate and foreign interest.

If you believe any different, you are woefully naive.

You can pull all the government statistics you want, but Americans don't buy it any longer.

Under Republican and Democrat rule, the borders remain wide open, allowing millions of illegals to pour into this country bringing urban plight, disease and decay.

The American people are left to pick up the tab for educating, medicating and incarcerating millions of citizens of another country.

Have you visited any major urban area lately???

Under Republican and Democrat administrations, American citizens have seen personal liberties usurped year after year by a federal bureaucracy out of control.

Constitution? What constitution?

Millions of immigrants legal and illegal hold NO allegiance to America. Congress has allowed millions to hold dual citizenship further perpetuating this travesty.

I could go on and on. I love my country very much and I am damn angry we've allowed these greedy socialist shysters, criminals, narcissistic power hungry individuals to gain control of our government.

Keep on fishing from the same ol pond, see what that’ll get’cha. More of the same ol big mouth bass spewing the same ol party lines.

The capitalism you make reference to in your post has been so perverted by greed and quest for power, it now has become hyper-globalism.

Both parties have been high jacked by men and woman that seek after their own interest, not that of our beloved nation. Multinationals selling our nation down the river for a buck.

Whether we get there slowly through hyper globalism led by the Republican party or by raw socialism through the Democrat party......socialism is still socialism.

America is quickly becoming a nation of subservient citizens. Our forefathers would be very sad to witness such degradation of our national character.

188 posted on 12/22/2009 6:05:55 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Psalm 144

I actually think Obama’s resolve is fanatical. Otherwise, he would be even more dangerous.


189 posted on 12/22/2009 9:06:37 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (Ayers unimportant? What about Robert KKK Byrd or FALN pardons? DNC -- the terrorism party.)
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To: John S Mosby

They had a revolution on far less..just taxes imposed. This is taking over our life.


190 posted on 12/22/2009 9:32:18 AM PST by Irisshlass
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To: Democrat_media

Wish I could believe that only 14% are RINOs- where is that figure from? Anyone who calls themselves a conservative but supports the RINO run leadership is misled. There has to be a revolution within the GOP. Jesse Helms is needed. Ronald Reagan is needed. Not McCain who reaches across the aisle. The problem with conflicted, want to get along and be liked RINOs is that they are tools of the liberals everytime. Because just like the country clubs the RINOs (we used to call them Rockefeller repubs) belong to, a conservative in that setting is co-opted behaviourally. This is how socialism has been advanced. RINOs are “status quo”. We need a new Contract with America, and repeal of the healthcare reform bill- all of it- needs to be the central tenet of our platform. All else pales in the face of this absolute control over our lives by the statists.


191 posted on 12/22/2009 9:46:07 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: servantboy777
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

President Sends '06 Budget to Congress Programs Are Cut, But War Costs Are Not Included By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 8, 2005;

President Bush sent Congress a $2.57 trillion federal budget yesterday that is designed to project U.S. power and priorities overseas while squeezing government programs at home but would not make a sizable dent in the nation's record deficit next year, despite politically painful cuts. While pumping more money into the Pentagon and foreign aid programs, the budget for the 2006 fiscal year would slash funding for a broad array of other government services as part of the deepest domestic reductions proposed since the Reagan era. In the long term, the fiscal plan envisions holding non-security discretionary spending flat for the next five years to fulfill Bush's promise to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

"To offset those increases (in military spending), the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are neeeded to pass any bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

1. Media lie number 1:"Republicans increased government spending". Republicans did not increase spending: Proof is below.

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are needed to pass any bill.

1. Media lie number 1:"Republicans increased government spending". Republicans did not increase spending: Proof is below.The following excerpt says that Bush held discretionary spending flat. Actually when inflation is taken into account there is a huge decrease in discretionary government spending. Furthermore, the only discretionary spending increases were for the military and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and for national security. So the "spending increases" were just for the military and were really just inflation. So you GOP hating "Conservatives" parrot the liberal media lies. Do you oppose the wars and the military buildup by Bush and Reagan ? If you oppose military spending increases then you are not conservatives. You and the media do not make that distinction that Bush cut domestic discretionary spending while increasing the rest of the discretionary spending , the military.

Only in an article probably published once a year on page 29 will you find this truth.Otherwise every second from 1000 media outlets the media says "Republicans increased spending" conveniently not taking into account discretionary domestic spending cuts, military spending, mandatory spending and inflation. So the media spins and lies and many "conservatives" buy those lies of the media.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

President Sends '06 Budget to Congress Programs Are Cut, But War Costs Are Not Included By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, February 8, 2005;

President Bush sent Congress a $2.57 trillion federal budget yesterday that is designed to project U.S. power and priorities overseas while squeezing government programs at home but would not make a sizable dent in the nation's record deficit next year, despite politically painful cuts. While pumping more money into the Pentagon and foreign aid programs, the budget for the 2006 fiscal year would slash funding for a broad array of other government services as part of the deepest domestic reductions proposed since the Reagan era. In the long term, the fiscal plan envisions holding non-security discretionary spending flat for the next five years to fulfill Bush's promise to cut the deficit in half by 2009.

"To offset those increases (in military spending), the rest of the discretionary budget would fall almost 1 percent, with programs for health, education, the environment, farming and housing taking the biggest hits. Nine of the 15 Cabinet departments would lose funding, including Housing and Urban Development (11.5 percent), Agriculture (9.6 percent), and Transportation (6.7 percent).

The Environmental Protection Agency would be cut 5.6 percent and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention by 12.4 percent, and the White House said it would take a 1.7 percent reduction in its spending. Altogether, about 150 programs would be eliminated or drastically scaled back, one third of them education-related."

2. Media lie number 2:"the Republicans had control of the Congress and Senate and so are responsible for any problem the liberal media invents".In the Senate 60 votes are needed to pass a bill. Republicans only had 51 for 2 years and 55 for 2 years. So It was never a Republican Controlled Senate or a Republican controlled Congress. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with Democrats to pass any bill including any spending bill as 60 votes are neeeded to pass any bill.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4563-2005Feb7.html

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

108th Congress (2003-2005) Majority Party: Republican (51 seats) Minority Party: Democrat (48 seats) Other Parties: Independent (1 seat) Total Seats: 100 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

109th Congress (2005-2007) Majority Party: Republican (55 seats) Minority Party: Democrat (44 seats) Other Parties: Independent (1 seat) Total Seats: 100

http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/history/one_item_and_teasers/partydiv.htm

For any bill, including any spending bill, to become law it needs to get to the floor of the Senate. The only way a bill can get to the floor is for 60 out of the 100 Senators to vote for it to get to the floor. Otherwise if the bill only gets less than 60 , 59 , 58, 57 ... etc. the bill dies.

Any bill will die if it doesn't get 60 votes to get to the floor of the Senate. Republicans had only 55 Republicans in the Senate. So Republicans never had control of the Senate. Republicans needed to make deals and compromise with the Democrats to get any bill passed. All bills,including all spending bills had to also be approved by democrats. So liberal media lie number one was that the media called it the "Republican controlled Congress".It wasn't . So Republicans were not responsible for any of "spending increases" the liberal media lied about.

NOW the Democrats do control the Senate because they control 60 votes. That is a democrat controlled senate and so it is a democrat controlled Congress. Before when the Republicans held only a bare majority of 55 the senate was a Republican-Democrat Senate and so was the Congress. It was never a "Republican Controlled Congress".Plus only for a mere 4 years did the Republicans have a bare majority. NEVER did Republicans have 60 votes in the Senate therefore NEVER was there a "Republican controlled Senate nor a "Republican Controlled congress". The liberal media made it seem as if the Republicans had a dictatorship. But that's not how the U.S. government works. You "conservatives" who hate the GOP have no clue as to how the government works, economics of anything. That's why all of you fall for the lies the liberal media invents to demonize Republicans. So you all become their puppets and turn against the GOP as was the media's goal.

Bush couldn't wave his hand and pass a bill .No for any spending Bush would have to wait for the Senate to pass a bill. The Republicans needed to fund the military etc. and so they had to pass spending bills and so they had to compromise with the Democrats to get 60 votes. Even in this Republican-Democrat Congress Republicans still managed to cut hundreds of government programs and cut discretionary government spending WHEN INFLATION is taken into account. This is shown in the article reference below.

So liberal media lie number 2 was that "Republicans spent like drunken sailors".First of all Republicans never could spend a thing as Republicans never had control of the Senate. Republicans never had a dictatorship. Republicans had to make deals with the Democrats to get the Democrat party to go along with them to reach the 60 votes needed to pass any bill.

If Republicans had 60 votes then you could hold them responsible but not with 55 votes. A more accurate statement would be in spite of the media and after compromising with Democrats, Republicans with only a bare majority managed to cut a deal with Democrats to cut spending and hundreds of government programs.

Do you understand simple math?60 is greater than 55. Get it now?

The following graph shows Republicans decreased the number of government workers:


192 posted on 12/22/2009 3:54:28 PM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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