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If healthcare passes the socialist coup d'etat has advanced beyond the point of no return!
Dec 19, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 12/19/2009 11:28:56 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I am from a heavily socialist leaning country and the black market is THRIVING. People do all kinds of stuff without paying taxes. You need wallpapering? You need your car checked? People do all kinds of stuff in their spare time and pay not a dime worth in taxes. They actually are forced to do it that way because they can’t survive on what they take home after all the taxes are paid. It’s a win-win for the supplier and the customer.


461 posted on 12/20/2009 5:47:30 AM PST by bergmeid (obama. With a small o.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

There already is a black market in the U.S. In fact there is one in every country.

30 million illegals work in the U.S. black market.

Also many items that are banned or heavily taxed are already bought in the black market and I know this from personal experience. I personally participate in the black market and encourage all I know to do so as well. If you’ve every bought something from a friend etc . you didn’t pay taxes on it and so that was a black market purchase. I personally participate greatly in the black market and encourage all I know to do so as well. It is my own way of rebelling against this tyranical government and my wy of rebelling against the Democrats/Marxists and I’ve done it for years.

I can’t tell you details of what I do but use your imagination and use Google.


462 posted on 12/20/2009 5:47:50 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Yes we can!


463 posted on 12/20/2009 5:49:24 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: SpaceBar

And how many people do they have to use it?

I don’t know the figures, but I’m guessing that just one percent of the gun owners could overwhelm them. Seems I’ve read that just three percent of the gun owners is far more than all the federal, state, and local government agents, police, and military combined.


464 posted on 12/20/2009 5:54:28 AM PST by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: Lynne

I agree, revolution indicates changing the form of government, where are the leaders with the wisdom and understanding to accomplish such a Herculean task, besides it is unnecessary... it has already been done.

What we need to do is return to a course that has proven to work better than any other ever devised, a political revival (I believe this will have to be accompanied by a Spiritual revival) if you will. That will require principled leaders and citizens who possess the wisdom to follow the course already chartered, anything else will result in failure.


465 posted on 12/20/2009 5:55:42 AM PST by Peter Horry (Those who aren't responsible always know best.)
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To: paulycy

It’s hard to double the “going through the roof” rate when that rate already corresponds to 24-hour-per-day, 7 day-a-week production by the manufacturers.


466 posted on 12/20/2009 5:57:22 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The IRS already has complete tracking ability on most all goods and services bought and sold.

Learn how to barter. Trading services or skills doesn't require money. No money, no taxes.

467 posted on 12/20/2009 6:02:00 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Democrat_media
They will simply apply a Value Added tax to get the revenue they crave. Any up front materials, industry, for building, food, clothing, electricity, internet, etc, will all be taxed up front. Europe is doing this now and they have short circuited this “black market” you claim is so lucrative.

They will make an example of a few like I also pointed out earlier.

468 posted on 12/20/2009 6:04:17 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: hocndoc
I do believe that the beginning of this Nation did not begin with unlawful or immoral acts:

Shooting British troops at that "rude bridge" was not an unlawful act?

469 posted on 12/20/2009 6:06:11 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: concerned about politics
That would only work for someone who is completely solvent and has no debt, or they work for themselves, or both.

You still have to buy the essentials and if your income does not match your expenses, you will be thrown in prison under their iron fist.

470 posted on 12/20/2009 6:08:21 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP
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To: All
Where and how did Obama get this huge head scar?
471 posted on 12/20/2009 6:10:47 AM PST by aphid (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: semantic
The 2008 election sealed the deal, not because of Obama the person (he's powerless), but because the nature of the country has changed to the point where the people would elect an Obama.

First of all, Obama is not powerless, and has managed to get virtually everything he wants simply by ignoring or riding roughshod over our process. He only needs the shell of these things, ranging from "health care" to "climate change," and he can then set up the bureaucracy and do whatever he wants. The details will come later.

Secondly, I think one thing we are not taking into account is that the election process was heavily compromised. I agree that it's appalling that so many people would have been so stupid as to vote for Obama, but he was packaged and sold to the idiots as something other than what he was. But most of all, the election process was so corrupted at every level, ranging from ACORN dead voter registration to the usual uncounted military ballots, missing precincts, sudden last minute votes flooding into computerized systems, etc. that I don't think we can be entirely certain that it was really the American voters who did this.

That's my big fear when people talk about how we're going to change things in 2010. They have had another year and also a lot of insider information now to perfect their destruction of the electoral system. So for that reason, I'm not sure there's much help to be expected from it.

That said, the problem is that if the system collapses (and I agree that it might), they will have the power to impose a draconian authoritarian regime immediately, combined with waves of permitted random violence carried out by Obama's faithful, and we will begin to experience the joys of living in Zimbabwe.

472 posted on 12/20/2009 6:11:56 AM PST by livius
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To: bergmeid; All
Good points. Thanks. I will use your points in my posts. It's amazing to me how little people know about economics. Here is my updated post.

We don't have to pay taxes and we can still keep working and making real money by creating a black market economy which deprives the Marxists/liberals/Democrats of the tax money they steal from us to fund their ridiculous, unconstitutional, and tyrannical government agencies.

Create businesses that on the outside look like residences but inside are factories, stores etc. that don't report or pay taxes to the government.

This black market economy would be even more efficient than the heavily regulated and taxed present U.S. economy is.

The Democrats have turned all businesses into being tax collecting centers which send trillions of dollars every year to government so that they can run unconstitutional agencies which further cripple the private sector.

We have to deprive them of their funds and let them collapse while the real free black market economy thrives.

30 million illegals now work tax free in their own black market so why can't we create a black market?

In fact there already is a black market in the U.S. as there is in every country. Things that are banned or heavily taxed are bought in the black market.

The black market is THRIVING in socialist leaning countries. People do all kinds of stuff without paying taxes. You need wallpapering? You need your car checked? People do all kinds of stuff in their spare time and pay not a dime worth in taxes. They actually are forced to do it that way because they can’t survive on what they take home after all the taxes are paid. It’s a win-win for the supplier and the customer.

Also for now at least there is also something called the Internet. You have no idea how far ahead hackers and others are ahead of the idiots in the government. Learn technology. Be a hacker , rebel.

Economically Shut down the Democrats/Marxists' grid and their government agencies: take their funding away by not paying their tyrannically high taxes. They aren't arresting any illegals or hardly anyone in the black market now except drug dealers and some gun runners .But if you do get arrested then you still won't pay taxes but you will get 3 meals a day, free medical care, a gym and in some cases cable TV. Our founding fathers took more of a risk. Why be their slaves ? Why allow the democrats/Marxists will to everything we own?

473 posted on 12/20/2009 6:13:15 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: aphid

What a bizarre thing. I have never noticed that before. It looks as if there are two scars, in fact, as if his skull had been sectioned. Maybe it’s just the way he combs hair, but it certainly does look strange.


474 posted on 12/20/2009 6:14:48 AM PST by livius
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To: Jim Robinson

To the readers...again, actions???

Pictures, nice quotes, these don’t get us anywhere...this isn’t about who’s the smartest, looks the best or who has the best quote.

Actions:
1. track down those Conservative business men who do have $$$ to throw at this for good 30 second spots on what the Consitution is.
2. protest outside sens and reps’ homes...WITH VIDEO
3. somehow we need a IT guru for pay who can stream and get video out there to the 45% of dummies who still are brainwashed
4. somehow pull Rush, Hannity, and Beck together to use their already established websites with Facebook to get the word out to the same 45% dummies...

Yes, these are off the top of my head, but let’s keep thinking and get it done!!!

Please stop with the nice quotes and pics as this is action time.


475 posted on 12/20/2009 6:15:45 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

They havn’t short circuited anything. The free market is triving in the U.S. I don’t claim it I live it and have been living it for years. You over estimate these idiots to defeat us in an economic sense. You would rather us fall to our knees and work in the rice paddies for a grain of rice per day they will give us?


476 posted on 12/20/2009 6:16:52 AM PST by Democrat_media (Democrats are the threat , they all voted for socialism on 11/21/09)
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To: aphid

That is a saber scar received in a duel


477 posted on 12/20/2009 6:17:53 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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To: aphid

Where and how did Obama get this huge head scar?
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Damn good question,,,

Sure looks like a brain operation to me...


478 posted on 12/20/2009 6:18:20 AM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: livius

There are a few right side photographs but most of them are left side profile or front takes. The scar can be seen in them but this is the most prevalent because he just had his hair cut. Looks like a craniotomy to me but it could due to some accident. Whatever, it looks like it was major trauma.


479 posted on 12/20/2009 6:18:43 AM PST by aphid (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
That would only work for someone who is completely solvent and has no debt, or they work for themselves, or both.

Yes, I know, but every little bit helps starve the beast. Learn to live on less.
Most families have both the mom and dad working. That means two incomes, and two people paying taxes. If one were to stop working (and paying taxes), most of the time the family would actually have more money of their own (my husband is an accountant, and has shown every woman in his work place this fact). After all the "extra" expenses are removed and the tax bracket adjusted, the family is better off, has more money, and is much happier. Mom can then cook from scratch, less gas would be used, less clothes bought, etc., and LESS TAXES paid.

The object is not to starve yourself. The object is to stave the evil dictators we have in Washington.

Goods and services can be "traided." If you fix engines, there's a farmer out there with milk. If you are a carpender, there's someone out there who makes quilts. If you are a teacher, there's a family who'll do your baby sitting in exchange for your tutoring services.

480 posted on 12/20/2009 6:20:14 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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