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I don't want to be a Norwegian (Yet I suspect Obama is trying to do exactly that)
American Thinker ^ | 12/19/2009 | Fernando Teson

Posted on 12/19/2009 9:14:59 AM PST by SeekAndFind

I'm sure Norway is a pleasant country, although I've never been there. But I don't want the United States to become Norway; that is, I don't want the United States to turn into a quaint, small, powerless, and socialist country. Yet I suspect the Obama administration is trying to do precisely that.

How could the United States become Norway? The first step is for the government to enact massive government programs, such as Obamacare and cap-and-trade legislation, to increase dramatically the number of people who depend on the government. European socialist governments have used the same method to entrench themselves in power. Once the government forces people to depend on it for their health, livelihood, and welfare, the chances that the voters will reelect those on whose largesse their life prospects depend increase significantly. Thus, contrary to appearances, the government's intrusion in people's lives is not entirely ideological, nor is it motivated by the desire to advance the public good. The aim of these moves is to expand and consolidate domestic political power.

To be sure, this conspiracy does not always succeed (and that gives us a kernel of hope), as the sporadic ascendancy of market-oriented governments in some European countries show. Voters harmed by these bad programs can react and throw the conspirators out. But politicians attempt this maneuver time and again in the hope that even political adversaries can profit from the citizens' now well-established dependence on government.

There are two reasons why anti-socialist governments have not repealed these socialist programs (Germany's Merkel and France's Sarkozy come to mind). First, large programs are to the advantage of all governments, because the programs secure the citizens' dependence on whoever is in power; second, bureaucracies and entitlements are extremely difficult to eliminate once established.

The second path to Norwegianhood is to curtail American global power. The theme is well known and has been addressed in the pages of this journal. For the left that Obama represents, American world power is a source of mischief. Drawing on the ideas of Soviet tyrant Vladimir Lenin and homegrown Marxists such as Noam Chomsky, the left has consistently decried what they consider American imperialism. The recent experiences of Afghanistan and Iraq have deepened the hostility of the left to American hegemony.

While not free of ambiguity, Barack Obama has adopted this theme. Not only has he apologized for the United States. In a break from the past, Obama has rejected human rights and democracy as the touchstone for the legitimacy of foreign governments. At the United Nations, Obama said that he respected the "rights in the community of nations" of the criminal regimes of Iran and North Korea. A far cry, indeed, from Bush's much more accurate "axis of evil" description.

In the same speech Obama expressly renounced American superpower status: "No one nation can or should try to dominate another nation. No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed." (By the way, this last statement is false: a world order has better chances to succeed if there is a hegemon than if there isn't, because the hegemon supplies crucial public goods such as defense.)

In short, Obama thinks we ought to be more like Norway: democratic, socialist, reasonably prosperous, and non-imperialist. Obama and his supporters dream of America as a nice country to live, where the government takes care of us all and recoils from foreign adventures. The left conveniently omits the fact that countries like Norway can be peaceful and reasonably prosperous because for almost a century those countries have ridden, free of charge, on the defense efforts of the United States.

Domestically the Obamites don't quite want a socialist dictatorship (although we all know that for decades the left made excuses for those[i]). The left wants instead a regime that respects human rights à la Norwegian: broad "socioeconomic" rights coupled with civil rights that are meager compared to the freedoms we enjoy in America. This means a much narrower freedom of speech; virtually no protection of property rights; ample governmental powers to redistribute wealth at will; and political correctness all around. Internationally, the left would like to end American global presence both because it is evil and because it siphons resources away from the domestic socialist structure the left cherishes.

Above all, Obama and the left want to change the ethos in this country -- to make it more Norwegian, as it were. Domestically, the left would like to eradicate the libertarian instincts of the American people, so movingly reflected in our founding documents. Americans have a healthy distrust of government; on this side of the Atlantic, the default rule is that government is a necessary evil. In contrast, most Europeans don't have this instinct: the European default rule is that government is beneficial until proven otherwise. The libertarian instincts of the American people pose a major obstacle to Obamacare and similar laws. Supporters of these bad laws try to convince Americans that there is no reason to distrust Big Brother; on the contrary, Big Brother just wants to help.

In foreign policy, the Obama administration has reversed another admirable American trait: the readiness to call a thug a thug. Americans know a tyrant when they see one. Through history, American Presidents, with important nuances, have recognized dictators for what they are (as opposed to calling them "leaders of a sovereign nation"). Only four years ago George W. Bush expressly refused to legitimize tyrants. Bush was mercilessly ridiculed by the media for his stand -- notwithstanding the fact that his view had a solid pedigree that went back at least to Woodrow Wilson.

Perhaps Obama thinks that one way to break with the hated Bush legacy is to accord respect to thieves and murderers in power. But in so doing, Obama is giving up on a precious, intangible winning card: the moral superiority of the American spirit over the world's despots.

I don't think it's just coincidence that a committee of Norwegian socialists awarded the Noble Peace prize to three American left-wing politicians: to Jimmy Carter in 2002, in a confessed attempt to embarrass Bush; to Al Gore in 2007 in an equally clumsy attempt to criticize the sitting American president by signaling who they would have liked to have won in 2004; and to Barack Obama in 2009 -a ridiculous choice on the merits, but surely a symbol of the kind of society the left would like us to become.

-- The author is the Tobias Simon Eminent Scholar at Florida State University College of Law.

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[i] For an account of this shameful history, see Guido Pincione & Fernando R. Tesón, Rational Choice and Democratic Deliberation: A Theory of Discourse Failure (Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2006): 53-64.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: norway; obama; socialism; usa
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1 posted on 12/19/2009 9:15:00 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I wish Norway would take him.


2 posted on 12/19/2009 9:20:51 AM PST by Signalman
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To: SeekAndFind
The left conveniently omits the fact that countries like Norway can be peaceful and reasonably prosperous because for almost a century those countries have ridden, free of charge, on the defense efforts of the United States.

BINGO! The US can never be Norway, but neither will Norway be-- ever again. We (were) the only thing keeping the entire world from Third World Communist Hell or Islamist Hell - whichever comes first.

3 posted on 12/19/2009 9:23:09 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (What do the _hite House and I have in common? We're both missing W....)
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To: SeekAndFind

Uff-da!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 12/19/2009 9:25:43 AM PST by nesnah
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To: SeekAndFind

why did they pick out Norway? i´m not shure if one of the richest countries (much higher GDP per capita then the US for example) in this world is the perfekt example for this rant.


5 posted on 12/19/2009 9:31:33 AM PST by darkside321
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To: SeekAndFind

Our demographics and location will not allow European type socialism to ever work here.


6 posted on 12/19/2009 9:32:27 AM PST by BBell
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To: SeekAndFind

A blue gummed Norwegian?Never seen one of those before.....


7 posted on 12/19/2009 9:32:36 AM PST by Farmer Dean (Don't blame me,I voted for the American)
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t believe this guy for a minute. Obama doesn’t want to turn the United States into Norway.

However, I’ll agree that he does want to turn this country into the equivalent of a Soviet-era Lithuania.


8 posted on 12/19/2009 9:56:50 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Farmer Dean
Beautiful plumage...


9 posted on 12/19/2009 9:57:32 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m sure Norway is a pleasant country, although I’ve never been there.


maybe the writer of this story should have visited Norway bevore he used it as example. i dont´want to be a norwegian too (just too damn cold there ;-) but i definitely would have no problem if my country would have an average GDP of $59,500 per capita (from cia world factbook) like Norway does.


10 posted on 12/19/2009 10:11:41 AM PST by darkside321
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To: SeekAndFind
Norway has two things going for it that the US doesnt. They have oil reserves that will fund all their crazy socialistic programs and they're actually willing to drill to get it (they may be soclialistic greenies but their not stupid like our own are). The other thing they have is another nation willing to fund defending them (i.e. the US). Without having to pay for self defense, and having almost limitless oil reserves to fund their socialism, they are golden.

That model will never work for us.

11 posted on 12/19/2009 10:16:42 AM PST by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: darkside321
my country would have an average GDP of $59,500 per capita

How much do you have left for yourself after taxes ? How much are the cost of goods and services in Norway compared to the USA.

I might make $60,000 a year in New York City for instance but the cost of housing, taxes, etc. will make that equivalent to making $40,000 in Austin, Texas. Plus in the later, I get a bigger property compared to a little flat in NYC.

So an absolute figure does little to tell us how far your money goes.
12 posted on 12/19/2009 10:18:44 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Norway would be dead as a door nail without the oil. The socialist must allow drilling and production to survive.
Before they got to be an exporter, they were in deep trouble and have always resorted to allowing their companies to be tax free on international business(beggar the neighbor) to support their socialism.


13 posted on 12/19/2009 10:23:47 AM PST by Oldexpat
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To: darkside321

Your economic strawman is flawed and simplistic. The scale is wrong and the national environment is wrong.


14 posted on 12/19/2009 10:28:01 AM PST by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century US Congress when he wrote 1984)
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To: SeekAndFind

well i do agree that Gdp per capita is not the perfekt way to measure the living standart of a country. (the problem is there is no perfekt way to do this because like you said it depends on so many different factors). but in generall it could be said if you have a average gdp of 59.500 dollar
your living standart has to be very very high in this country. Of course you will have some places where the cost of living is higher (and there for you usually get paid more money for the same job than in other places) in every country. have been to the US and Norway. It´s true norway is more expensive than the US for example. there for you get usually paid a little more like you would get in the US for doing the same job.


15 posted on 12/19/2009 10:37:39 AM PST by darkside321
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To: SeekAndFind

You mean the rest of the United States would have the same character of Minnesota? Gaaaaack!
Going to Texas soon over Christmas and New Years, and may just decide to stay there!


16 posted on 12/19/2009 10:40:11 AM PST by Fred Hayek (From this point forward the Democratic Party will be referred to as the Communist Party)
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To: darkside321

Norway is a perfect example. Too much money in taxes was squandered on foreigners through an open border policy that is now biting the Norwegians in the ass.

Well intentioned programs that were intended to help those Norwegians temporarily down on their luck have become permanent entitlement programs for illegals that are showing up by the hundreds of thousands for the free money that their oppressive governments wouldn’t dream of handing out.

I think that is pretty much right on.


17 posted on 12/19/2009 10:50:03 AM PST by willyd (Reducing Taxes Reduces our Carbon Footprint)
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To: SeekAndFind
Norway allows drilling for oil... Offshore included. It is the basis of the economy.

Yep. Red-Green coalition Norway is more capitalist and pro-development than the United States...

18 posted on 12/19/2009 10:56:08 AM PST by JasonC
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Red-Green coalition Norway is more capitalist and pro-development than the United States...

They use duct tape to keep the coalition together.

19 posted on 12/19/2009 10:58:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: willyd

yes but this is a generall problem of rich “western” countries. the “richer” you are the more you get overun (at least they try it) from immigrants. of course how far those immigrants “succeed” depends on the politics of this country.


20 posted on 12/19/2009 11:00:28 AM PST by darkside321
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