Posted on 12/18/2009 11:35:42 AM PST by Cyberrat
True enough. I see that you are from Ireland , so I will point out some details which you may or may not already know.
The election in question is a special (read: out of sync) election to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by the death of Ted Kennedy. Only Massachusetts state residents may vote in this election. As such, the two major candidates are only locally known. However, the winner will be elected to the U.S. Senate, which is why it has national implications.
Massachusetts is (rightfully so) known as a bastion of extreme liberalism in this country, which is why many conservative Americans are less than enthusiastic about any Massachusetts candidate.
However, a GOP victory in Massachusetts would send a message to the rest of the country that the Dems are extremely vulnerable.
On a national level, I believe that we Americans learned our lesson with McCain (the RINO of all RINOs). In my opinion, the GOP has no choice but to offer up a true conservative in 2012. If they don't, then the party will be as dead as disco, and they know it.
I wasn't even going to vote in '08 until McCain picked Sarah Palin as a running mate. Make no mistake about it; I voted for Sarah as much as I voted against Obama, but I never voted "for" McCain.
If Sarah Palin runs in 2012, I will vote for her with no reservations, and it will be the first time I ever voted for somebody rather than voting against somebody else.
If the GOP offers up an "across the aisle/big tent" type, I'll either sit it out or write in Ronald Reagan.
I hope that you are successful, but the Bay State is a cesspool of liberalism, and everybody knows it. Acknowledging the obvious doesn’t mean a lack of love for my country. Our country is huge, and spans a continent. Mass. is just one small part of it, and it is screwed up, badly. It will, more than likely, stay that way for a long time.
Spare me the you’re not a patriot if you don’t agree with me crap.
“Nice ad-hominem attack...” LOL. You should talk.
I understand plenty, and I stand by my earlier statement to you.
By the way, in reference to my first post about Mass. being a cesspool, it is and everyone knows it. The part about wanting to be a slave, etc. Obviously, not everyone in your state is a liberal and voted for the scum, but hey, if the shoe fits, wear.
Our opinions certainly differ. I’d have been gone five years ago had I been able.
Hi Trooprally,
First off I think Scott Brown would be a flawed Conservative. Yes I wish he were more solid, but for the moment he’s talking about holding the line on Cap and Trade and 0bama-death-care among other things. (Care to lose one of those battles and then try to win the war?)
A Moonbat or RINO in the oval office is a disaster. (Death by a million or only 10,000 paper cuts is still death.) You need a solid conservative for president. Bush + McCain + independents = 0bama we don’t want that here.
Too many RINOs in congress is also a disaster. You need a 51+% solid conservatives in congress. (See paper cut analogy).
Massachusetts? I don’t like falling short of ideals, but you need ANYBODY who is not a moonbat. IF you get it, count your blessings and hope for the best. I wish we could do some of the heavy lifting for the rest of you in the other 49. I think Scott Brown could do just that.
Oh yeah we could argue about his conservative credentials until full blown communism digs in... Or we could elect Scott Brown if for no other reason than to give a black eye to 0bama and the Ted Kennedy legacy.
That’s my take.
‘Fingers
Thanks for your input though some others on this thread don’t agree with you about Brown. In Maryland we have to hope for the best also.
With enough “R”s in congress it will make it easier for the real conservatives to work, to counter Snowe et al.
And yes, another “R” elected would be a black eye (can I say that without being called a racist?) for Obambi.
Just finished shoveling my first 9” layer of snow. Took me 45 minutes. By the time I finished there was about another inch covering where I started.
Looking forward to shoveling the next 12 inches. /sarc off
[Mr] T
Years ago, there was a movement by the large Puerto Rican population in Lawrence to display the Puerto Rican flag all over the city. One day, after I had moved to Cape Cod, I visited my parents in Lawrence and noticed that the streets in their neighborhood and others were lined with American flags. My father explained that the Elks Club had paid for them as a show of patriotism.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that, even though the Merrimack Valley is a Democrat stronghold, a lot of those Democrats are conservative but suffer from living in an echo chamber. They've got a visceral dislike for Republicans, though they will elect Republican governors - go figure.
It's a crap shoot, but I think it's a possibility that Scott might have a chance.
Don't ever equate patriotism and a hatred of things like "bussing" as conservatism. If that were the case, most of the lower middle class northeast and upper midwest would have turned solidly GOP a long time ago.
Obama is about to make a speech, my guess is that it will be about the passage of his health care reform.
I agree with you on this point, and though there's a lot of anti-authoritarian attitude on a one-to-one level, the prevailing philosophy when it comes to "government" is paternalism.
The unions played a huge role in forming the mentality and garnering the loyalty of the mill workers in the early party of the 20th century and the philosophy was handed down through the generations.
My grandmother was a bobbin girl in the Wood Mill, and quit school in the seventh grade to work there.
Mr. T
Can’t believe I said “black eye”. Oh well.
We’re gearing up for the same storm tonight and tomorrow. Just got the snow thrower going.
‘Fingers
As if Obama's threat of putting Offutt on the BRAC list wasn't bad enough, now Nelson accepts a Medicare bribe from Harry Reid.
These are crimes against the Constitution, and these tyrants are patting themselves on the back as they destroy the American free market, and attempt to seize our God given rights.
You just slandered several million people, and one person takes exception and fires back at you, you can’t take it? Good thing the others aren’t throwing it back at you too.
You freely insult and slander people from all over the country. Sounds to me like everyone who isn’t you is living in a cesspool. I made that mistake just the other day about New Orleans, and I got called on it too.
No, it isn’t a cesspool, and no, everyone doesn’t “know it”. That is the type of argument we hear from the liberals regarding health care and global warming, that everyone is supposed to “know” about those issues and what should be done. I don’t expect to hear it from a conservative.
I read your Freep page. I believe in giving default respect to people until they have shown me they shouldn’t be given that courtesy. I go the extra effort to extend that default courtesy to military personnel and former military personnel, because I believe that they have earned the right to a little leeway. Same goes for cops and former cops. Being an aviation junkie, I have always felt that way about pilots too.
Your blanket statement about all Massachusetts residents being dumbasses and preferring slavery has made it pretty difficult for me to let it ride. There are still enough of us up here who aren’t willing to roll over and surrender the state completely. You would think conservatives would respect that and recognize the uphill political battle that must be fought here to get any non-liberal candidate elected, never mind one who is actually pro-military (who actually serves in the military) and an advocate of the free market and lower taxes.
We need all the help we can get up here.
We don’t get money from the GOP because they view the state as a black hole.
We don’t get money from any other citizens around the country, because they view it as a lost cause and any money they send to us is seen as wasted.
For many of us up here, we don’t even have a candidate most of the time to vote for, even at the local level. There are many up here like me who send money to candidates in other states to support politicians like Allen West, Bill Russell and Jesse Kelly because of that. I conservatively estimate I have spent 5-10 times more money on out of state candidates than Massachusetts candidates, because most of the time, I don’t have one here I could give money to even if I wanted to.
The liberals have a stranglehold on the political process. They scumbag liberals up here have gerrymandered the system over the years to the point where conservative candidates don’t have a chance.
My dad, a 30 year Navy Vet who served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam was active in politics, school committee, selectmen and a failed run for state rep. He was as conservative as could be, a plankowner in the organization Citizens for Limited Taxation. He got hateful mail and phone calls when he served on the school board and board of selectmen because he wouldn’t rubber stamp things...he actually asked if the school really needed a new “media production studio” badly enough to have to raise property taxes.
But my dad had to run as a Democrat to get elected. There wasn’t a liberal bone in his body. But that is what he had to do. He knew a Republican had no chance.
So if my hackles go up because a fellow conservative says we should lose, and deserve it, that is why.
We finally have someone to vote for, the time is right, even if the chance is as remote as hell, to break the lock for at least one term. But, like Reagan did by invading Grenada, and for the first time since WWII stopping the progression of totalitarianism and beginning the process of rolling it back, I would like to think there is hope for us here.
I am glad you have a political process that works in South Carolina. You have some fine people representing you.
Our political process is broken up here, giving us politicians like Barney Frank, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Ed Markey and if we just surrender, Martha Coakley.
Yeah, we have a lot of dumbasses up here. But there are good people up here too, principled people fighting a heretofore hopeless battle. And there are more than you think. We should all be pulling together across this country to destroy the Massachusetts political machine, and others like it.
It would be great to hear people say “Hey, we are all pulling for this guy to win up there in Massachusetts” instead of “It’s hopeless, let those dumbasses sink back into the cesspool, because they prefer to be slaves.”
If you could bring yourself to embrace the former statement about pulling together instead of the latter statement about cesspools, and mean it, I could gladly shake your hand. And that goes for all the others on these types of threads who might have the same initial reaction you did.
Because I sure would like to do that. That would mean something to me.
Believe it or not, it's nice to hear that there are still those abroad who care enough to hope that we clean our own house. Lord knows it needs cleaning. Rightfully or not, the Bush administration did knock us down a peg or two in the eyes of other nations. As much as I'd like to, I really take no joy in seeing that Obama is only making matters worse. For what it's worth, I am doing what I can to clean our house. Knowing that others in the world depend on that effort will only make me try harder.
Your tagline is VERY well taken. Cicero was right. I'll admit that I haven't read most of it, but I do tell people that "The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" is probably the most relevant cautionary tale ever written for the United States.
If I may ask, in what country do you now reside?
“You just slandered several million people, and one person takes exception and fires back at you, you can’t take it.”
Really? How so?
“You freely insult and slander people from all over the country. Sounds to me like everyone who isn’t you is living in a cesspool.”
Where did this occur? What thread?
“No, it isn’t a cesspool, and no, everyone doesn’t “know it”. That is the type of argument we hear from the liberals regarding health care and global warming, that everyone is supposed to “know” about those issues and what should be done. I don’t expect to hear it from a conservative.”
Nice try but that statement is a crock and a total red herring.
“Your blanket statement about all Massachusetts residents being dumbasses and preferring slavery has made it pretty difficult for me to let it ride.”
Your exaggerations are getting a little tiresome. Sortof a drama queen, aren’t you. Let me try to make this clear for you, if you can rein in your emotions for a moment.
A freeper asked why the voters of Mass kept sending such luminaries like Kennedy, Frank, Kerry, etc back to the congress. He was, of course, referring to the voters who voted for these fine specimens. Not those who voted against them. Are we clear so far? My response was “cuz they’re dumbasses and want to be slaves”. Do you think that refers to those who voted for liberals or those who voted against those fine people?
“You would think conservatives would respect...”
How do you expect to garner any respect when you get all emotional and fly off the handle? Ain’t gonna happen.
“We don’t get money from any other citizens around the country, because they view it as a lost cause and any money they send to us is seen as wasted.”
I’d say lots of other people think that Mass is a cesspool, also. That’s why they don’t want to waste their money. Your other comments about threats, and the crooked dem political machine ad infinitum, ad nauseum prove my “cesspool” statement to be correct.
“For many of us up here, we don’t even have a candidate most of the time to vote for, even at the local level.”
Been there, done that. I sympathize and yes, it does suck.
“So if my hackles go up because a fellow conservative says we should lose, and deserve it, that is why.”
Sorry about your hackles, but I considered your response to my initial post as hostile fire.
You have a lot of passion. That can be good, if controlled. Right now, you are simply driving off possible allies.
Adios and good luck
Post#17, your blanket statement: "cuz they are dumbasses, and like being slaves."
I suppose you don't regard a blanket statement with no qualifiers calling people dumbasses and outright stating that they prefer slavery, as hostile?
I made a genuine gesture of conciliation to you, on the basis that if I could get someone with your mindset to agree that a candidate occupying a Senate seat in the state of Massachusetts with the expressed positions of Scott Brown as opposed to a candidate like Martha Coakley is GOOD for the ENTIRE country, then that would be a positive development.
A shame to read your response.
If I understand you correctly, you would rather have someone like Martha Coakley occupy that senate seat so you can find satisfaction that a state full of dumbasses gets what is coming to them?
Is that what you think?
An echo chamber. That is a fantastic analogy! I never thought of it like that, but you are absolutely right.
I work in an academic environment, so as you can well imagine, I have to watch my tongue. There is of course a small circle of "underground" conservatives where I work, but we are forced to stay just that - underground.
Everybody else is sitting smack in the middle of an echo chamber, echoing endlessly everything they say and hear.
The most frustrating thing is that there is no more intolerant group of people than those who spend most of there time preaching tolerance.
Academia is a fascinating study in hypocrisy. The parking lots where I work are filled with cars plastered with liberal bumper stickers ranging from "Kerry/Edwards 04" to "Lobotomize Republicans, IT'S THE LAW!", to "More Trees...Less Bush"
In twenty two years, I have dared to adorn my Jeep with only two political bumper stickers: "Crime Control, Not Gun Control", and "Don't Blame Me, I Voted For Muffy" (a reference to the '06 Massachusetts gubernatorial race - Deval Patrick vs. Kerry Healey).
Both stickers were torn from my Jeep within a couple of weeks. Ahh, gotta love tolerance!
I’m tired of dealing with you junior. You are emotionally immature and have a great deal of difficulty in reading comprehension.
Go bother someone else with your junior high school drama queen routine.
You are on permanent ignore.
Plugging up your ears won’t change the truth.
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