Posted on 12/17/2009 10:31:21 AM PST by JRochelle
The path to 60 just got a lot more difficult:
In an interview Thursday with a Nebraska radio station, Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said new compromise language on abortion funding is unacceptable. As it is right now, without further modifications, it isnt sufficient, Nelson told KLIN radio in Lincoln, NE.
This could be a significant blow to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reids effort to line up 60 votes in the coming days for the health care bill. Nelson has said he would filibuster the bill unless the abortion language mirrored what was included in the House bill.
Even if abortion is addressed to his satisfaction, that is not enough for Nelson commit to voting for the bill, he said.
How bad will this get? Barack Obama hasnt even addressed the issue of abortion with Nelson directly. Thats a pretty interesting picture of disinterest coming from the Oval Office on what is supposed to be Obamas highest priority on his domestic agenda.
Harry Reid will have to go back to the drawing board on abortion funding, but that may not be possible. His progressive wing is already in near revolt over having to vote for a bill with no government-run plan in it. They wanted a precursor to a single-payer system; in fact, that was the entire point of the health-care reform push. Now theyre going to be asked to kill funding for abortion as well, having worked for months to build a path around the Hyde Amendment. There is no way that will get through to cloture, and no way it will pass in the House even if it did.
Nelsons driving a stake through the heart of ObamaCare. Looks like Barack Obama has his pretext for skipping Copenhagen.
I’m certain he knows he is toast if he votes for it.
So far, he seems to be holding firm in opposition. But I fear he will cave under immense pressure.
Fingers crossed.
It is almost hunting season ...
Republicans didn't increase the number of government workers in 12 years so Republicans did not move left and are not the big spenders the liberal media and liberal Michael Savage says they are: mandatory spending increases inserted by Democrats into laws,inflation, and wars was the cause of this "spending increase" not Republicans moving to the left or being "socialists". The number of government agencies nor the number of government workers did not increase overall during the 12 years the Republicans controlled congress.
LongHOrnFreeper wrote: In fact, I'll go further. I would consider the Republicans better than the Democrats by a wide margin, on almost every single issue I can currently think of with the exception of the failed war on drugs. Sadly, better than the Democrats just isn't good enough, especially when the Democrats keep moving left, and the Republicans keep following.
I'll reply more fully to this point of yours ,LonghornFreeper, and every point you made , point by point, when I have time. I am just busy working to support all the welfare deadbeat Democrats like Man50D .
I'll reply to all of your points Man50D , you Democrat, every point you made , point by point, when I have time. I am just busy working to support all the welfare deadbeat Democrats like you Man50D et al .
LonghornFreeper,I hope you change your mind and start bashing the Democrats I think your point saying that your bashing Democrats would be redundant on this site has no merit.
There are many things people can add in their own unique way, some insight that no one else has said as to how evil these Democrats are what they are doing to our country etc. and this that you wrote was not redundant and if fact i enjoyed reading this passage of yours very much cause it bashed those evil democrats even though you weren't really doing it just giving an example. I listen to Rush, Hannity ,Levin and none of them are redundant to me . I don't think you LonghornFreeper and Man50D et al. have the ability to really bash the democrats who are destroying our Republic as they just voted to end debate and we are finished. And many of us do wonder why you don't bash Democrats. Enjoy starving as they are in Venezuela.
LonghornFreeper wrote: I obviously could start every single post with "I despise the Democrats completely, in almost every way it is possible to despise something or someone. I am ashamed that they are my countrymen. I consider Obama to be potentially the worst President in history already at this point, and he has only been in office a year." I could add far more to this, if people wanted I wrote: ( yes i want to hear more bashing of these Democrat/Marxists).
Longhornfreeper wrote: In fact, I'll go further. I would consider the Republicans better than the Democrats by a wide margin, on almost every single issue I can currently think of with the exception of the failed war on drugs. Sadly, better than the Democrats just isn't good enough, especially when the Democrats keep moving left, and the Republicans keep following.
Many of you “conservatives” including longhorhfreeper,Man50D et al, don't have a clue about basic politics and believe all the liberal media lies that demonized Republicans as "big spenders" and moving to the left . Oh really well wars cost money, there is something called mandatory spending, there is something called inflation, and Republicans didn't increase government size as the number of government workers didn't increase during the 12 years of the Republican controlled congress..
It is Democrats alone who are destroying the Republic. Republicans did not increase the number of government workers in the 12 years they controlled congress so Republicans did not advance socialism. Get a clue all of you "conservatives" GOP bashers, the Democrats control 60, 60% of the votes in the Senate so it doesn't matter what any Republicans Senator does or says as the Democrats can cut off debate and force a final vote any time they have 60% of the votes which as anybody that understands Marxists knows that this was settled on election day. Mark my words:Amnesty is next. Say goodbye to the Republic. Say goodbye to your purchasing power. Say hello to empty supermarket shelves as is happening in your socialist Utopia of Venezuela. It is unbelievable to me that many “conservatives” here are blaming elected Republicans when not a single Republican Senator voted for this bill but every Democrat Senator did when they needed the 60 votes to start and end debate. There are no moderate Democrats. they are all marxists and so are all evil incarnate and all they do is lie.
Republican Senators like Coburn, Demint, Republican Sarah Palin ,Republican congressmen like Tancredo, Pence etc. are all conservatives who believe in America are for limited government and believe in God and American values. These Republicans are not Marxists. Get a clue you anti-republican "Conservatives" .
It is Democrats alone who are destroying the Republic. Republicans did not increase the number of government workers in the 12 years they controlled congress so Republicans did not advance socialism. Get a clue. We need Republican Sarah Palin to save us. We need Republican Tom Tancredo to run again and save us from the hundreds of millions of 3rd world invading hordes. Long live the protector of the U.S border, the defender of faith and freedom, Long live REPUBLICAN Tom Tancredo!
Here is a post of mine from a while back. Many other freepers also knew this was all theater:
No only all Democrats just voted for this the destruction of America, all Democrat Senators, all 60 voted to start debate and to end debate.
I knew Democrats would all vote for this government healthcare ,Amnesty, etc. I knew this on last election day. Also years ago I chose the name democrat_media to show that democrats control the media and are the threat.. Many of you “conservatives” don't have a clue of who these people , the democrats are or of the rules of the Senate,that with 60 votes the democrats have a virtual dictatorship as Democrats can ram anything down the American people throats ANYTIME they want. Democrats are all Marxists. This debate has all been an act. Next on the script is Amnesty.And the democrats/Marxists have government healthcare to offer the 100 million illegals and their families back in the third world to solidify the socialist/marxist takeover of the United States.
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Many of you “conservatives” also don't have a clue about basic politics. The Democrats control 60, 60% of the votes in the Senate so it doesn't matter what any Republicans Senator does or says as the Democrats can cut off debate and force a final vote any time they have 60% of the votes which as anybody that understands Marxists knows that this was settled on election day. Mark my words:Amnesty is next. Say goodbye to the Republic. Say goodbye to your purchasing power. Say hello to empty supermarket shelves as is happening in your socialist Utopia of Venezuela. It is unbelievable to me that many “conservatives” here are blaming elected Republicans when not a single Republican Senator voted for this bill but every Democrat Senator did when they needed the 60 votes to start and end debate. There are no moderate Democrats. they are all marxists and so are all evil incarnate and all they do is lie.
Republican Senators like Coburn, Demint, Republican Sarah Palin ,Republican congressmen like Tancredo, Pence etc. are all conservatives who believe in America are for limited government and believe in God and American values. These Republicans are not Marxists. Get a clue you anti-republican "Conservatives" .
It is Democrats alone who are destroying the Republic. Republicans did not increase the number of government workers in the 12 years they controlled congress so Republicans did not advance socialism. Get a clue. We need Republican Sarah Palin to save us. We need Republican Tom Tancredo to run again and save us from the hundreds of millions of 3rd world invading hordes. Long live the protector of the U.S border, the defender of faith and freedom, Long live REPUBLICAN Tom Tancredo!
Here is a post of mine from a while back. Many other freepers also knew this was all theater
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2408479/posts?page=12#12
Democrats/Marxists want to legalize illegals so that they can
create millions of new Democrat voters. After the elected
Democrats/Marxists/liberals ram through government healthcare then
Democrats will ram this Amnesty for illegals down the American
people's throat.
The Democrats/Marxists know that elected democrats are 60% of the Senate so they know that there is nothing Republicans can do to stop them.
The fix is in . All this debate between moderate and liberal
democrats is all an act. Democrats are all Marxists. All elected
Democrats always knew they were going to vote for government
healthcare. So they know they will all vote for Amnesty as that
guarantees democrats to get tens of millions of new voters, the
illegals and their families back in the third world.
Then Democrats/Marxists/liberals will cripple the private sector
further with Cap and trade. Also Democrats will silence Rush,
Hannity, Levin with the Fairness doctrine, and silence the
Internet with Net Neutrality.
They , all elected Democrats/Marxists, know this script.And they
know that there is not a thing that Republicans, conservatives, or
the American people can do to stop them.
Then the private sector which is the engine of wealth,jobs, high
living standards and freedom will be crippled. And the
Marxist/communist/Democrat takeover will be complete without
firing a shot.
And millions of liberals are cheering this destruction of the
golden goose , the private sector, and of America. But it is they,
the liberals who will be starving in the street in the new
Communist People's Republic of the United States.
Liberals in the media and liberals everywhere, Enjoy your sick
“social justice” and few meager scraps you will steal from the
productive for now as tomorrow you will starve in the streets and
you will be slaves of the government.
Also you anti-Republican “conservatives” enjoy starving in the streets as you helped the liberals achieve the elected Democrats insurmountable 60 votes in the Senate.
Long live capitalism, America, and freedom. This will not stand, us the men of freedom will not allow it to. I promise you that.
Long live the protector of the U.S border, the defender of faith and freedom, Long live REPUBLICAN Tom Tancredo
Man50d wrote: "That's an interesting rationalization considering The OP and the RATs are the only parties to have controlled the executive and legislative branches of government since 1860.
No, Man50D, you Democrat, your party the Democrats/Marxists held a majority for 60 years after 1930 and that is when they built up most of the big government machine and thousands of government agencies most of which had mandatory spending increases built in.Look at your democrat FDR's New Deal and your democrat LbJ's great society massive government socialist takovers only which now are being matched.
Republicans didn't spend like drunken sailors. That is a liberal mainstream media lie and a Michael Savage lie.
As you can see from this graph. Government size decreased during the time the Republicans controlled Congress. The number of government employees per thousand population actually decreased during Bush's presidency and during the time that the Republicans controlled Congress. Of course the liberal mainstream media ran stories every day how the Republicans were increasing government size ("spending") by record amounts.And government educated "conservatives" who have no clue about anything including economics bought that lie every day and so got angry and turned against the GOP which was the liberal media's goal.
Any "spending increases" were for mandatory spending increases mandated by the government machine and agencies the Democrats built since the late 1800's starting with the government schools. Also wars cost money and inflation were the "spending increases".
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