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To: BillyBoy
I disagree with your use of "fundamentalist" to refer to the YEC crowd. It doesn't, and several decades prior to the Scopes trial didn't, and even where used in the sense you used it was used only among a small group.

I think we need to take the terms back into normal use.

1,140 posted on 12/12/2009 6:02:31 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: muawiyah; metmom; Behemoth the Cat
>> you haven't been reading the latest crevo threads because that's EXACTLY what I was told because I believe the Bible, that I wasn't a Christian but rather a cultist, by someone who claimed to be a Christian himself. And he included other YECers in that.

Well metmom, if you can find the link, let me know, because that's the first instance I've seen on FR of someone who believes in evolution saying those intrepret the bible literally are "not Christian". On other hand, I avoid the crevo threads because they contain dozens of threads where anyone who believes in evolution and posts there is immediately attacked as a godless heathen. Seems to me alot of the creationists here bash ANY Christians who don't think the way they do and deny their faith in Christ. 90% of praticing Christians in the world should not be "allowed" to call themselves that no matter how much they dedicate their life to Christ and the bible, according to the YEC defition of "Christian"

To me, ANYONE who believes in the basics of the Nicene creed is a Christian (Jesus died for our sins, trinity is father, son, and holy spirit, etc.). And I would certainly include YCE's and those who interpret the bible literally as perfectly good Christians, though I agree with Behemoth the Cat that they makeup a small minority of hardcore protestant factions, and their views on earth's origins are not reprsentative of Christians as a whole in the world.

>> I disagree with your use of "fundamentalist" to refer to the YEC crowd. It doesn't, and several decades prior to the Scopes trial didn't, and even where used in the sense you used it was used only among a small group. I think we need to take the terms back into normal use. <<

Well, I apologize for any offense but it is common place today to lump everyone of the YEC mindset into the "fundamentalist Christian" label and I'm not sure what other label would be appopiate. I would agree that really hard-core traditionalist Catholics like Opus Dei wouldn't fit my definition of "fundamentalist Christian", even if they didn't believe in evolution. To me, a fundamentalist Christian is always a strict protestant who interprets the bible literally. What definition would you use?

I would also add that I stand by my statements that many who deny others are "Christian" do so because they have a narrow view of the world and live in a region where 90% of the people they encounter are in the same denomination as them. That's why you see stuff on FR about how Catholics "never read the bible during their mass" (I've never been to a mass without a bible reading) and how "only Catholics pray to Mary" (this is certainly news to the 300 million Orthodox Christians in the world who have been doing that since the earliest days of Christianity).

1,172 posted on 12/12/2009 6:48:59 PM PST by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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