I am more than willing to discuss anything you'd like about the black community (or the white treatment of)very candidly because unlike most white folks here I have been either immersed in it or lived in close proximity to it for half a century.
And I have seen it collapse basically and take/accompany lower income white and latino urban culture down with it to the point where they are now almost indistinguishable except by skin color and they are working on that too.
This is not just an American issue but a worldwide issue for black culture baring one or two small exceptions and the roots go back far beyond what most folks are comfortable discussing today. Some cultures advance and some lag and some are in between and there are variances to that mean within each but the mean still is what it is and it's unreasonable to expect everyone to be the same culturally in short order when these differences based on so much environmental differences for tens of thousands of years have taken place. You can make this observation about any race or ethnic group and even to some degree religious affiliations and whatnot. Geographic isolation as one had in sub Saharan Africa and in the Americas has created for both of the indigenous groups there growing pains and this is an outgrowth of that which we all have to deal with but this new touchy feely make excuses and enabling failure progressivism is only retarding cultural acclimation in the modern world. Blacks for example were in better shape culturally in the now scorned years from 1866-1964 than they are now with all this excuse making and being treated like underprivileged pets by guilty whites.
And progressive politics and the deconstruction of the what we used to call western civilization the past 40 years has enabled it.
But I am not one of these white folks who thinks all that has happened negative in the black community is the fault of external forces. Blacks have free will same as anyone else and when I grew up most exercised it well and our cities were safe and so on...at least in the south.
I appreciate your clearing that up. Looks like we're on the same page about all of this.
Your reply deserves a better response than what I can give at the moment. I'll come back this evening when I've got more time to give you a thoughtful response.
Thanks
And progressive politics and the deconstruction of the what we used to call western civilization the past 40 years has enabled it.
Your thoughts are in alignment with my own on this. I firmly believe that its no accident that an entire race of people, who have been gifted (or cursed) with the same levels of intelligence and aptitude as any other humans, are nonetheless existing in a disheveled and dilapidated state. I'm sorry, but there is a cause for that effect, and I'm sure that it began a long, long time ago.
That being said, African blacks may have borne some responsibility for their fall to whatever malevolent forces first began the long process of enslavement and degradation against them. I do know, for instance, that African tribes collaborated with the slave traders, and sold their fellow blacks into bondage in the 1600's.
Moving closer to present time, and to home, we see that Native American culture is nearly as bad off as that of blacks, or at least it has been, until very recently.
I believe the theory holds for those people, as well. They didn't become degraded by accident. It took a great deal of force to beat them down to where they were (until recently).
In the case of Native Americans, it's a fact that a great many of them left the reservations to join mainstream society. A lot of them hid their origins and passed as descendants of European immigrants to achieve acceptance and escape the poverty and hopelessness of where they came from.
Blacks have done this too, but (with few exceptions) without the benefit of being able to pass for anything but black. My own grandparents had the opportunity to pass for white in their youth, but chose not to attempt it. Dear old Grandad simply did what he had to do to raise himself and his family above the default circumstances of the day.
In my dad's time, he had to overcome a great deal of prejudice to excel in his career. His life story is one of success, because he overcame those things that barred his way.
Today, there's little excuse for any American to remain shackled to a dead end existence. The way out was paved long ago, and has even been streamlined with special considerations for blacks, in particular.