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Nicolas Sarkozy: Muslims must be discreet about faith
The Times ^ | 12/8/2009 | Charles Bremner

Posted on 12/08/2009 11:03:28 AM PST by markomalley

Nicolas Sarkozy stoked the debate over immigration today with a warning to Muslims to practise their religion discreetly or face rejection by moderate Islam in France.

The President voiced sympathy for Swiss voters who opted last week to ban minarets as he tried to reassert himself in a debate over national identity which he launched last month but that has since spiralled out of his control.

Over the past week, Mr Sarkozy had appeared to retreat from his original comments following a backlash over the way that they were being used against immigrants, particularly Muslims.

But in a column for Le Monde, Mr Sarkozy returned to his theme and said that the result of the Swiss referendum showed how important it was for France to define its identity.

"Instead of condemning the Swiss out of hand, we should try to understand what they meant to express and what so many people in Europe feel, including people in France," he wrote. "Nothing would be worse than denial."

Mr Sarkozy called for tolerance and underlined France's respect for all faiths, but his message was intended primarily to reassure those who are unhappy about what they see as a threatening Muslim presence in the country.

"Christians, Jews, Muslims, all believers regardless of their faith, must refrain from ostentation and provocation and ... practice their religion in humble discretion," Mr Sarkozy wrote.

Addressing himself to Muslims, he wrote that anything that could appear as a challenge to France's Christian heritage and republican values would "doom to failure" a moderate Islam in France.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: france; minarets; rop
I do not like that arrogant SOB, but when he's right, he's right.

This is one of those times.

1 posted on 12/08/2009 11:03:31 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I like Sarkozy. He reminds me of Farquad from Shrek; short and arrogant!

But we’ve come to expect arrogance from the French!


2 posted on 12/08/2009 11:05:23 AM PST by rarestia (Confutatis maledictis, voca me cum benedictis)
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To: markomalley
or face rejection by moderate Islam in France.

“Moderate” Islam needs to reject the Koran and Hadith. I guess a moderate Islamist only cuts half your head off.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

The Koran and hadiths are replete with examples of Muhammad's barbaric behavior. Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam - Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

3 posted on 12/08/2009 11:09:58 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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To: markomalley
Addressing himself to Muslims, he wrote that anything that could appear as a challenge to France's Christian heritage and republican values would "doom to failure" a moderate Islam in France.

There may be moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. The religion from its founding until now has always been supremacist and expansionist.

The mentality of Islam is 1941 Imperial Japan only 15 times larger.

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4 posted on 12/08/2009 11:17:22 AM PST by JCG
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To: markomalley

He was certainly right when he dubbed ObaMao as a narcissistic flake.

And his speech in 2007, praising America as the friend of France, praising us when nobody else was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlt2GE4EYo4&feature=player_embedded#


5 posted on 12/08/2009 11:18:39 AM PST by RowdyFFC (The opinion of a wise Welshtino woman...)
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To: markomalley
THIS IS MY DISCREET FACE!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

6 posted on 12/08/2009 11:22:53 AM PST by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: FatherofFive

Sarkozy is spot on again!


7 posted on 12/08/2009 11:46:16 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: The Comedian

Perhaps they should limit their “religious” acts to

2 beheadings and 1 honor killing per week.


8 posted on 12/08/2009 11:49:36 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

Go Nick!!!!


9 posted on 12/08/2009 11:53:44 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: markomalley

‘Defending national identity is a noble cause, opposed only by the elite.’

I like that. I like Sarkozy.


10 posted on 12/08/2009 12:55:44 PM PST by bboop
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To: markomalley
Addressing himself to Muslims, he wrote that anything that could appear as a challenge to France's Christian heritage and republican values would "doom to failure" a moderate Islam in France.

America should consider a similar statement.
11 posted on 12/08/2009 2:37:52 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Abortion-Euthanasia kills the very people for whom Social Justice is needed.)
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