Posted on 12/07/2009 9:02:46 PM PST by advance_copy
With President Barack Obama's decision to escalate the war in Afghanistan by sending 30,000 additional troops to battle Al-Qaeda and the Taliban, he has put his imprint on the war on terror, and at the same time, given up the Democrats' most famous fallback position: blame George W. Bush.
Couple that with the economy and we are seeing the end of the president's first year in office coincide with him having to accept the full responsibility for the condition of the country.
Obama rode into office on the "blame Bush" tidal wave as the nation sickened of everything he touched. The economy? Bush was horrible at stewarding it. Giving banks billions in TARP funds? Dumb idea by Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank "Mr. Wall Street" Paulson. Sick of billions going to the war? It was all the fault of Bush and his chief crony, Vice President Dick Cheney.
The blame Bush mantra proved effective because it totally silenced Republicans, who were loathe to defend a conservative president who began with a surplus and ended with a deficit, as well as the architect of a war in Iraq based on never-proven claims of weapons of mass destruction. They couldn't even muster the strength to call him a conservative.
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No, you don’t get away with that. Using the peejorative, paulites and calling a good conservative an obamite for not voting in lockstep with you is a personal attack.
A paulite is a Ron Paul fan. Considering Ron Paul's kooky rhetoric, like blaming Israel for terrorism, I can understand why you mis-interpreted it for a personal attack.
an obamite
'obamite' is your term. I simply said that you Paulites favored Obama over McCain. And you already admitted this fact.
P.S. Your ignore button is broken
“A free and democratic Iraq that is allied with America is in America’s national security interests. Going by your logic, after WWII, we should have abandoned Europe to the Soviets.”
But is it free and is it “democratic” with Islam as its highest law?
****Agreed. The radical communism of the current administration calls for a radically constitutionalist response.****
Yes, and we will be further divided as a nation. There are too many of us who will not become slaves to the state, and who will do whatever we can to stop them.
Their interpretation of Islam, like the banning of takfir, isn’t the brand of Islam you’re alluding to.
BS. Let me guess: you believe there really is a “religion of peace” Islam. History laughs at you.
No, my claim is true. Takfir is banned.
History laughs at you.
Says someone who believes we should have abandoned western Europe to the Soviets.
“No, my claim is true. Takfir is banned.”
I wasn’t just talking about takfir, but the whole dhimmi thing that they won’t give up. Islam is completely incompatible with a free society. Always has been. Always will be. We are paying for yet another pair of Muslim states. That is a mistake.
“Says someone who believes we should have abandoned western Europe to the Soviets.”
Let me guess: because I don’t support sinking trillions into a middle eastern rathole, right?
Folks in nations like Iraq and Turkey believe otherwise. You favor abandoning Iraq and Afganistan to al-qaeda, even in a post 9-11 world. Figures.
Let me guess
Liberating millions from tyrany and fostering a demcratic ally is not the proper role of the US President, according to you.
“Folks in nations like Iraq and Turkey believe otherwise. “
Do they, now....
“The mosques are our barracks, the domes are our helmets, the minarets are our swords, and the faithful are our army” - Turkish PM Erdogan.
“Liberating millions from tyrany and fostering a demcratic ally is not the proper role of the US President, according to you.”
Where in the Constitution is the President authorized to do that? Defeat the enemy, don’t build him up. If the mission was to stop Hussein as a threat, fine, but if the mission was to liberate the Middle East from itself, no, that’s not fine.
It doesn’t matter, though, as no “democratic ally” can possibly have this in their constitution
“Article 2:
First: Islam is the official religion of the State and it is a fundamental source of legislation:
A. No law that contradicts the established provisions of Islam may be established.
B. No law that contradicts the principles of democracy may be established.
C. No law that contradicts the rights and basic freedoms stipulated in this constitution may be established. “
A is clearly in conflict with B and C. Guess which one will win. The new Iraq is no “Democracy”. It’s a proto-theocracy.
“Democracy” doesn’t mean “freedom” or peace-loving. It’s just head counting. If people use “democracy” to vote in tyranny, just how does that serve anyone? Just like State, you have a childish view of “Democracy!”... one the Founders did not share.
Oh, and GWB supported an Al Qaeda affiliate in Kosovo. He, along with Clinton and McCain, helped establish a beachhead for them in Europe.
Yes. They do. Iraq is now an ally and not an enemy. Saddam is dead. If ACLU-Bob had it his way, we would have abandoned Iraq to al-qaeda.
Defeat the enemy, don’t build him up.
Typical senseless statement from a Bob Barr supporter. We removed an enemy and built up a democratic ally.
but if the mission was to liberate the Middle East from itself, no, that’s not fine.
I see you're not even familiar with the legislation authorizing Operation Iraqi Freedom. But since you're an ACLU-Bob supporter, this doesn't suprise me. Why don't you go back to the Alex Jones websites where you belong?
A is clearly in conflict with B and C.
False. If you were right, they wouldn't have provisions banning takfir, which you claimed didn't exist. You need to play make-believe in an effort to paint our efforts in Iraq as a failure. Hey, I've got a question for you. Sarah Palin supports our efforts in both Iraq and Afganisntan. If she runs in 2012, does this mean you will rally against the Republican ticket again and vote for Bob Barr? Hey! I've got a challenge for you. Post a vanity about how Bob Barr should be the nominee for 2012 instead of Sarah Palin. I double-dog-dare you.
“Yes. They do. Iraq is now an ally and not an enemy. Saddam is dead. If ACLU-Bob had it his way, we would have abandoned Iraq to al-qaeda.”
Saddam is dead, but Islam is still there. Christians are persecuted in Iraq. More so than they were under Saddam.
“Typical senseless statement from a Bob Barr supporter. We removed an enemy and built up a democratic ally.”
Ally? ALLY? No Muslim country is an ALLY of an infidel state! Is history not a required course in whatever degree program you took?
“I see you’re not even familiar with the legislation authorizing Operation Iraqi Freedom. But since you’re an ACLU-Bob supporter, this doesn’t suprise me. Why don’t you go back to the Alex Jones websites where you belong?”
I’m familiar with the authorization. I’m also familiar with the starry-eyed mission creep of the Bush Administration.
“False. If you were right, they wouldn’t have provisions banning takfir, which you claimed didn’t exist. “
Not false. Where do you get this stuff? Even rigorously secular Turkey is turning back to Islam as government. Iraq’s constitution REQUIRES all laws come from Islam.
“You need to play make-beliehttp://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2402618,231ve in an effort to paint our efforts in Iraq as a failure. “
The efforts of the military, when they were allowed to do their jobs and not ARRESTED by the Administration to make the enemy feel better, were not failures. Bremer, the whole State Department run thing, and the idea that Islam is a religion of peace and was proper as a SOURCE of legislation were the failures. Al Qaeda is one active jihadi group. Even if we exterminate them entirely, Islam is still there. 1600 years of terror are still there.
You MUST have worked for State to believe this nonsense.
“Oh, and GWB supported an Al Qaeda affiliate in Kosovo. He, along with Clinton and McCain, helped establish a beachhead for them in Europe.”
I double-dog-dare you to prove the above statement wrong. You glossed over that one, as expected.
I see. In your make believe world, our objective was to eliminate Islam from Iraq. And since we didn't, the mission failed. Sheer idiocy I expect from an ACLU-Bob supporter.
No Muslim country is an ALLY of an infidel state!
Heh, you sound like a Bin-Laden lackey. You forgot to shout ALLUH AKBAR! Since, in your make believe world, no muslim country is a U.S. ally, this means that we really don't have military bases set up in nations like Qatar, Bahrain, Iraq, Turkey, UAE, ect....
I’m familiar with the authorization.
No you aren't. Otherwise, you wouldn't be asking idiotic questions.
Where do you get this stuff?
From the Iraqi Constitution. You already errouneously claimed these provisions don't exist. It's all make believe for you. Then you wonder why kooks like Bob Barr only have a handful of supporters.
You MUST have worked for State
No, I didn't work for the State. But guess who Bob Barr works for? I'll give you a few hints. They hate Christianity, they support NAMBLA, they offer free legal support for islamic terrorists at gitmo, and their acronym is ACLU. And how come you were unwilling to answer my other question? If Palin is the nominee for 2012, are you going to rally against the Republican ticket again and write in Bob Barr? And where's the vanity, noob? How are you going to convert Palin supporters into Barr supporters without a noob vanity?
I supported al-qaeda in Kosovo? Do you have anymore strawmen you’d like to add. And where is your pro-Barr anti-Palin vanity. After all, you believe ACLU-Bob should be the nominee over Palin, don’t you? This is what you believe, isn’t it? Oh, that’s right, you’re afraid to answer this question.
“I supported al-qaeda in Kosovo?”
No, George W. Bush did. I asked you to address that in your next rant.
“After all, you believe ACLU-Bob should be the nominee over Palin, don’t you? This is what you believe, isn’t it? Oh, that’s right, you’re afraid to answer this question.”
I’ve asked you questions in this thread. You don’t answer those. I currently support Palin. I don’t support GWB-type liberals. Not anymore.
“I see. In your make believe world, our objective was to eliminate Islam from Iraq. And since we didn’t, the mission failed. Sheer idiocy I expect from an ACLU-Bob supporter.”
No, but that is the only way to produce and actual democratic ally. I’ve never mentioned Barr. I don’t support Bob Barr. Got any more strawmen?
“Heh, you sound like a Bin-Laden lackey. You forgot to shout ALLUH AKBAR! Since, in your make believe world, no muslim country is a U.S. ally, this means that we really don’t have military bases set up in nations like Qatar, Bahrain, Iraq, Turkey, UAE, ect....”
LOL. Alliance works both ways. They are using us for their own ends. Only and idiot thinks a Muslim country is a real ally like the UK is an ally. They are taught to not take Christians and Jews as friends.
“No, I didn’t work for the State. But guess who Bob Barr works for? I’ll give you a few hints. They hate Christianity, they support NAMBLA, they offer free legal support for islamic terrorists at gitmo, and their acronym is ACLU. And how come you were unwilling to answer my other question? If Palin is the nominee for 2012, are you going to rally against the Republican ticket again and write in Bob Barr? And where’s the vanity, noob? How are you going to convert Palin supporters into Barr supporters without a noob vanity?”
What does any of this - or ANYTHING in this thread - have to with !@$!! Bob Barr? Can you actually read? BTW, I didn’t suggest you worked for “the State”. I accused you of being at the educational level of someone working AT State.
I could say what I think of such as you, but that’d likely violated the terms of service here and I will not be baited further by a liberal.
Yeah, Bush supported al-qaeda terrorists in Kosovo. This, coming from a guy who supports truthers for presedent like Chuck Baldwin.
I currently support Palin.
No you don't. You support isolationist kooks like Chuck Baldwin. Why would you support Palin? She didn't oppose the Patriot Act. She doesn't oppose military intervention in Iraq and Afganistan. If Sarah is the 2012 nominee, are you going to support her, or are you going to rally against her and vote for candidates who can't even beat Ralph Nader, like Chuck Baldwin? Answer me this: Why would you support Palin over people like Baldwin and Barr?
“Yeah, Bush supported al-qaeda terrorists in Kosovo.”
GWB supported Kosovo independence and the KLA. KLA is an Al Qaeda affiliate. You can keep your head in the sand to avoid that fact, but it happened.
“This, coming from a guy who supports truthers for presedent like Chuck Baldwin.”
Baldwin is not a “truther”. He is also not a supporter of ACORN like your buddy McCain.
“No you don’t. You support isolationist kooks like Chuck Baldwin. “
I voted Baldwin because McCain was at the top of the Republican ticket and he is a traitor to the United States of America. I might’ve voted differently if Palin had been at the top to the ticket.
“She didn’t oppose the Patriot Act. She doesn’t oppose military intervention in Iraq and Afganistan. “
I didn’t oppose the Patriot Act either.. until I realized just how it is going to be used by the Democrats. I didn’t oppose military intervention. I just oppose nation building - just like GWB did in 2000.
“Why would you support Palin over people like Baldwin and Barr?”
Possibly. Provided her politics are close enough to mine. I think they are. Why would I support Barr? I’ve never even MENTIONED BARR ONCE. Just keep on attacking conservatives, death2tyrants. It’s all you know how to do.
Hey, very good. Alliances work both ways, like having a common enemy. Did you know that the government of Iraq is a sworn enemy of al-Qaeda? If you had it your way, we would have abandoned Iraq to al-qaeda once we removed Saddam. And you wonder why isolationists like Chuck Baldwin aren't embraced by conservatives, whereas real conservatives like Sarah Palin are embraced.
but that is the only way to produce and actual democratic ally
Iraq is internationally recognized as a democratic state, and they are a U.S. ally. This is true wheter you want to admit it or not.
I will not be baited further by a liberal.
Liberals opposed the Patriot Act, Operation Iraqi Freedom, and our intervention in Afgansitan. You voted for Baldwin. What's his views on these issues?
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