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Report: Obamas balked at WH Nativity scene
baltimore sun ^ | 122/07/09 | Mathew Hay Brown

Posted on 12/07/2009 3:38:53 PM PST by winoneforthegipper

The lunch conversation inevitably turned to whether the White House would display its crèche, customarily placed in a prominent spot in the East Room. Ms. Rogers, this participant said, replied that the Obamas did not intend to put the manger scene on display — a remark that drew an audible gasp from the tight-knit social secretary sisterhood. (A White House official confirmed that there had been internal discussions about making Christmas more inclusive and whether to display the crèche.)

Yet in the end, tradition won out; the executive mansion is now decorated for the Christmas holiday, and the crèche is in its usual East Room spot.

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To: livius

RE: “Anyway, The One and family won’t even be in the WH at Christmas. They’re going to Hawaii, I guess so they won’t have their feelings of inclusivity offended by having to see the creche.”

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Yes, and in my experience, there are few places less ‘Christmasy’ than Hawaii, especially in tourist areas. A lot of people visit tropical locales to get away from holiday traditions; going to Hawaii is perfect for Dear Leader and his entourage.

I went on a Caribbean cruise once over Christmas and were it not for the tree in the lobby at the Purser’s Desk area, I would never have known it was Christmas at all. Never again.


101 posted on 12/07/2009 5:10:53 PM PST by CaliforniaCon
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To: winoneforthegipper
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Saved the mods some time.

102 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:17 PM PST by jaz.357 ("If the present tries to sit in judgment on the past, it will lose the future." W.Churchill)
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To: Canedawg
"It figures you would say something like that.

It figures to are too stupid to understand my point. For you, the concept can't be longer than you're own name. Short, dumb and drunk is no way to go through life.

103 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:21 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: livius

These bougie posers I hope they’re gone by next CHRISTmas.


104 posted on 12/07/2009 5:35:23 PM PST by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Am I surprised? No. This couple are “modern”! Anyone can see that, as they are raising their children without God in their lives.

Disgusting people in all regards and shameful for our nation.


105 posted on 12/07/2009 5:56:49 PM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Tawiskaro

No offense, but I don’t think they are merely sitting on his shoulders. They are inside his mind and so-called heart. He is a cold, bloodless, frightening creature.


106 posted on 12/07/2009 5:59:00 PM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Nachum
It's beautiful....Photobucket A mainstay of White House Christmas decorations is the 18th century crèche that was donated to the White House by Mrs. Charles W. Engelhard, Jr. of Far Hills, New Jersey in 1967. On display in the East Room, the crèche was made in Naples, Italy of terra cotta and carved wood.
107 posted on 12/07/2009 6:05:44 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Cheryllynn

He is one pathetic creature.


108 posted on 12/07/2009 6:08:02 PM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: winoneforthegipper

I’m so sick and tired of the term “inclusive”. By my way of thinking, the liberal term “inclusive” is pretty darn “exclusive”. Or I guess Christ can’t be “included” in Christmas!


109 posted on 12/07/2009 6:20:44 PM PST by GatorGirl (Eschew Socialism!)
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To: ladyvet
Info on Charles Englehard:

As a result of his company's need for gold acquisitions from South African suppliers, Charles Engelhard became a major investor in the country, acquiring gold, copper and coal mining ventures as well as investing in industrial concerns. He set up a publicly traded holding company in the U.S. that raised capital for investments in South African business. The company made investments alone and in conjunction with South African business tycoon, Harry Oppenheimer whose Anglo American plc dominated the South African mining industry. Engelhard maintained a residence in South Africa and was elected to Anglo American's Board of Directors. At home, some criticized him for indirectly supporting the country's apartheid regime, however in a retrospect summing up Engelhard's impact on the country, Anglo American stated that: "In difficult times, when South Africa was badly in need of capital, Engelhard played a vital and significant role in helping to bring it from abroad. He thus not only restored confidence in the country's economy, but actively assisted in boosting it."

Shortly before his death in 1971, Charles Engelhard disposed of most of his South African businesses, selling them to Anglo-American plc and other companies.

Engelhard is reported by numerous sources, including Forbes magazine and The New York Times, to have been the inspiration for the fictional character Auric Goldfinger in the Ian Fleming novel Goldfinger and the subsequent motion picture. According to the Times, Engelhard was an acquaintance of Fleming and delighted in the characterization.

Charles Engelhard was a major contributor to the United States Democratic Party and in the 1960 presidential election organized the National Committee of Business and Professional Men and Women for Kennedy and Johnson. In 1955, he ran for New Jersey State Senate against Malcolm Forbes in the "Battle of the Billionaires"[1]. In 1967, he and his wife donated an elaborate 18th-century Neapolitan crêche to the White House.

Charles Engelhard supported numerous humanitarian and benevolent causes in South Africa, the United Kingdom, and the United States. The Engelhard Dam on the Letaba River in Kruger National Park is named in his honor in gratitude for donations to the South African National Parks Board.

The Charles Engelhard Foundation, headed by his wife after his death and by their children following her passing in 2004, provides funding to a wide range of causes including education, medical research, cultural institutions, and wildlife and conservation organizations. It has made major donations to the Metropolitan Museum of Art where the Charles Engelhard Court can be found in its American Wing, built the library at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, and has been a generous supporter of a number of University of Montana academic programs.

110 posted on 12/07/2009 6:22:11 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: texas booster

That still doesn’t make me like the display any less.


111 posted on 12/07/2009 6:35:15 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Happyinmygarden

No offense taken. I agree with your observations. I might add that he is not very bright.


112 posted on 12/07/2009 6:37:57 PM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: winoneforthegipper

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BEEN THERE. DONE THAT:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2402226/posts

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113 posted on 12/07/2009 7:05:38 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!<p>)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Has he ever mentioned Jesus or his Christian faith since he’s been in office?


114 posted on 12/07/2009 7:08:11 PM PST by cushman (Barack = Homosexual yes?)
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To: winoneforthegipper

No surpise, all Barack, his wife and their church care about is the following from their website:

Trinity United Church of Christ

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain “true to our native land,” the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.Cu

Barack’s Church Culture

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System - Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

1 - Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

2 - Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. I John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

3 - Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. Deuteronomy 6:6-8 - And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

4 - Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.

5 - Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.

6 - Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce. II Thessalonians 3:7-12 - For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought; but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

7 - Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. I Peter 1:4-7 - To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.

8 - Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control. Proverbs 3:13-14 - Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold. Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.” So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.

9 - Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.

10 - Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.

11 - Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

12 - Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.

While Barack had to distance himself from the church in order to get elected, he’s obviously not losing sleep over is coldness to the true meaning of Christmas.


115 posted on 12/07/2009 7:26:20 PM PST by cushman (Barack = Homosexual yes?)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Boy that creche must be like garlic to a vampire for Zero.


116 posted on 12/07/2009 7:41:48 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Everything, including Christmas, is a political calculation with this sick scumbag Ubama.


117 posted on 12/07/2009 7:45:23 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ladyvet
No it does, and it is a fantastic display. It was obviously carved in tribute to a greater Love.

Englehard was a democrat, a supporter of all things government, and had no problem buying and offering a gift of the crêche to Johnson.

The gulf between the religious and the current government could not be wider.

I was surprised to see his name in connection with a James Bond movie.

118 posted on 12/07/2009 8:29:52 PM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: winoneforthegipper
I can understand Obama not wanting the birthday of the Savior celebrated December 25th.

In his mind, He was actually born on August 4, 1961. Unfortunately, the exact place of His birth is still up in the air. It might have been either Mombasa or Honolulu. Nobody really knows, or if they do, they're not talking about it or Rahm Emanuel will break his legs. One thing we do know - He wasn't born in a stable.

But, we all eagerly await the new "Luke" to litigate it all out so we can celebrate --mas on the proper day!

119 posted on 12/07/2009 9:09:51 PM PST by Gritty (Obama is a black man with a white mother who is a savior to us - Louis Farrakhan)
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To: Nachum

Well, communists don’t believe in God and they balk at the very idea. So there is no contradiction in his actions.


120 posted on 12/07/2009 9:22:27 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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