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Navy Seals Could Face Year in Prison Over Alleged Punching of Terrorist
CNSNews.com ^ | 12-05-09 | CNS News

Posted on 12/05/2009 8:16:48 AM PST by montag813

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To: RicocheT

A-men!
I support them 1000%.They do what they do because it has to be done.Period.


41 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:30 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("In a time of universal deceit,telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act"-George Orwell)
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To: montag813

BUMP


42 posted on 12/05/2009 8:59:58 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: montag813

Thank you for informing us. This is an outrage and we have to do all we can to protect our Seals.


43 posted on 12/05/2009 9:01:48 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: montag813

The JAG jerks pushing this need to spend time in prison.


44 posted on 12/05/2009 9:03:38 AM PST by mort56 (He who would sacrifice freedom for security deserves neither. - Ben Franklin)
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To: RC2

I read Admiral’s mast, but I have to be honest with you, it’s the first time I’ve heard the term also. I suppose that would be either the CinC for the theater, or perhaps the Top SEAL himself?


45 posted on 12/05/2009 9:05:02 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
CA? Are you guys going to let that brainless Boxer get reelected in 2010?

That's SENATOR brainless Boxer to you!!

46 posted on 12/05/2009 9:09:17 AM PST by Churchillspirit (9/11/01...NEVER FORGET.)
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To: tet68

I say the damage is already done to the military ,
and with the amount of service people at Sara’s book signing , the non labeling of the ft hood killer , and now this against the elite ,

but then lets not forget upon returning they are now to be placed on the watch list

it is a truly sad time in America , and i know this plays heavy on the minds of our service men and woman trying to protect what once was a great nation

Times ate changing in the shadow of darkness


47 posted on 12/05/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by mdel747
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To: tet68

I say the damage is already done to the military ,
and with the amount of service people at Sara’s book signing , the non labeling of the ft hood killer , and now this against the elite ,

but then lets not forget upon returning they are now to be placed on the watch list

it is a truly sad time in America , and i know this plays heavy on the minds of our service men and woman trying to protect what once was a great nation

Times are changing in the shadow of darkness


48 posted on 12/05/2009 9:15:26 AM PST by mdel747
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To: montag813

The revolution could begin over this very issue.


49 posted on 12/05/2009 9:15:53 AM PST by IbJensen (Merry Christmas to everyone, especially the ACLU)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

That is true, but the SEALs chose to go straight to CM without passing go.


50 posted on 12/05/2009 9:16:05 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: Recon Dad

Nor Seals, as the article said.


51 posted on 12/05/2009 9:17:15 AM PST by Ready4Freddy (Everyone knows there's a difference between muslims & terrorists... no one knows what it is, though.)
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To: Achilles Heel; Old Retired Army Guy
Any Republican who dares to run against this vile woman will be subjected to the gutter politics of that scumbag, Bob Mulholland.

I remember in '92 the first time she ran for the Senate (the much-vaunted Year of the Woman). They dug up a last-minute smear against her opponent, Bruce Herschenson, who would've made a great senator. This was mere days before the election, Herschenson didn't have time to respond to the charges (the same type of crap that the dems pulled with the Bush decades-old DUI).

And this was AFTER Blabs was found to be armpit-deep in the House banking scandal. She got elected and has been squatting there for three terms without any serious challenges. Simply disgusting :-(

52 posted on 12/05/2009 9:18:30 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
The term arraignment puzzles me. Isn’t an Article 32 hearing the next step?

That the maximum punishment possible is one year confinement, a BCD, and forfeiture of two-thirds pay means they will face a special court martial, not a general court martial--so, no Article 32.

The process of serving charges and entering pleas in the military system is a little different than what is encountered in the civilian system. In the military system there are preferral and referral of charges to court martial followed by the trial. The trial itself is where the formal reading of the charges and entry of a plea first takes place. But unlike (most) civilian jurisdictions, a military court-martial proceeds directly to trial at that point.

53 posted on 12/05/2009 9:18:33 AM PST by behzinlea
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To: mort56

Sorry to be so ... not PC.

IMHO, a terrorist found on the battlefield should stay on the battlefield.


54 posted on 12/05/2009 9:19:48 AM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: RC2; Tallguy
The SEALs were offered nonjudicial punishment, but supposedly refused. The convening authority, Maj Gen Charles Cleveland (commander of Special Operations Command Central) , signed off on sending them to a court martial. He made the final call.

(from a previous thread)

Looking further into this, Maj Gen Cleveland has convened an Article 32 investigation for a Special Courts Martial. From a reliable authority, the Article 32 determines whether to proceed or dismiss based on the merits of the case.

This just may go away shortly.
55 posted on 12/05/2009 9:27:03 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: montag813

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56 posted on 12/05/2009 9:27:05 AM PST by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: mort56
"The JAG jerks pushing this need to spend time in prison."

JAG's aren't the convening authority. Like anyone else in the military, they're following orders. If you've got a problem with the charges (as I do), then your beef is with command, not the attorneys prosecuting the case.

There will be an Article 32 hearing, much like a civilian preliminary trial with elements of a grand jury. That hearing will determine if the evidence supports a referral to a court-martial. But, the JAG corps is obligated to hold the hearing as the SEALs have refused Mast. They aren't "pushing" anything - the Commanding Officer is.

57 posted on 12/05/2009 9:29:09 AM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: BIGLOOK

Thanks. That clears things up quite a bit.


58 posted on 12/05/2009 9:38:13 AM PST by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: tet68

barry the islamist is very happy.


59 posted on 12/05/2009 9:47:35 AM PST by onedoug
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To: marstegreg

Were you reffering to the service members going to trial for ‘suppodly’ punching up a tango?

These man are SEALs. A Marine may apply and be accepted as a SEAL - but most, I suppose, just apply for Force Recon.

The SEALs are very porfessional. IMO, had the Marines trapped this asshat, they would have turned over a body, but then, that’s just me.


60 posted on 12/05/2009 9:48:14 AM PST by ASOC (To be content with little is hard, but to be content with much is impossible.)
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