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What's wrong with IAF's Sukhoi?
India Today ^ | December 4, 2009 | Manoj Joshi

Posted on 12/03/2009 8:38:50 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

What's wrong with IAF's Sukhoi?

New Delhi December 4, 2009

Even if temporary, the grounding of Sukhoi- 30MKI fighters of the Indian Air Force ( IAF) has opened up a huge gap in the country's air defence system.

Our Sukhois are currently located in the following manner - two squadrons in Pune, Maharashtra, two in Bareilly, Uttar Pradesh, and one in Tezpur, Assam. A sixth squadron was forming up in Jodhpur, Rajasthan, and it was from this squadron that the aircraft that crashed this week belonged. Each squadron has roughly 20 aircraft and the total India has is about 105 aircraft at present.

While the crash that took place in April was attributed to a defect in the computerised flight control system, the causes of the recent crash are yet to be determined, though it is supposed to have been caused by a fire in its engines. Whatever be the case, it has led to a grounding of the super- capable, but very expensive aircraft.

Though the Sukhoi, assisted by in- flight refuelling, has a very long range and can be brought into combat in virtually any part of India within a matter of hours, the location of the squadrons indicate that their primary task was, first, air defence over India's western peninsular areas where many of our key industrial centres and assets are located ( Jamnagar refinery, Kandla, Bombay High, Mumbai- Pune industrial belt and so on). The second major focus was air defence of our northern border with China.

What can fill this gap? " Nothing," according to an aviation analyst.

As a second line, India has three squadrons of Mirage 2000s and three of Mig 29s. They are located in Gwalior ( Mirage) and in Adampur and Jamnagar ( Migs). Neither in terms of range or capability can they even hope to fill the sudden gap that has emerged. In addition India has a number of squadrons of Mig- 21s in Rajasthan, Punjab and Kashmir, which can, at best, provide limited air defence over specific targets - an air base or a city.

In some ways the IAF has brought on the situation on itself.

An ideal air force has a pyramid structure with its best cuttingedge fighter on top, a tier- two workhorse and, at the bottom, large numbers of less capable tier- three fighters. By their current plan, the IAF could end up with an inverted pyramid. It could end up with as many as 280

heavy Sukhoi 30- MKI and around 126 medium fighters for which a competition is currently underway.

We have a total of about 250 Mig- 21s of varying vintages that should have been replaced yesterday.

Instead, they will be painfully slowly replaced by the LCA over the next 15 years.

The large number of Sukhois are not only very expensive ( officially $ 45 million, in reality Rs 350 crore per piece) to buy, but they are horrendously costly to operate and their serviceability is poor in any case.

But things don't look too good for the air force in the coming years. They have messed up their Medium Multirole Combat Aircraft ( MMRCA) competition by mixing apples and oranges, as it were. Instead of acquiring a Mig- 21 replacement - a light fighter like the Swedish Gripen, the American F- 16 or the Russian Mig- 29 - they have opened the competition for much more capable, heavier and expensive fighters like the Boeing FA18, the French Rafaele and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Should, for example any of the last named win the competition, we will have an air force of only top- of- the- line fighters, no workhorses.

And, if the LCA fails to measure up, the air force will try to fill the numbers with more MMRCA acquisitions which could complicate the situation further.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airforce; fighter; flanker; iaf; india; russia; su30; sukhoi

1 posted on 12/03/2009 8:38:53 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What’s wrong with IAF’s Sukhoi? Answer: Their logistics and maintenance Suk. Even for a Russian design plne.

Aside from that I like the plane itself.


2 posted on 12/03/2009 8:44:58 PM PST by Redcitizen (Zartan for President 2012)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Related article link:

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2009/12/week-after-flight-president-wants-to.html

3 posted on 12/03/2009 8:45:24 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
While the crash that took place in April was attributed to a defect in the computerised flight control system, the causes of the recent crash are yet to be determined, though it is supposed to have been caused by a fire in its engines.

I think your own words tell the story as to why the grounding. They don't know what caused it and there appear to be multiple failures.

4 posted on 12/03/2009 8:48:59 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Redcitizen

I assume you’ve worked with IAF to know that.


5 posted on 12/03/2009 8:52:55 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Cold Heat

The April crash was due to a FCS failure-preliminary reports on the latest crash based on automated voice warnings point to an engine failure.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sukhoi-crash-govt-admits-fault-in-flight-control-system/492895/0


6 posted on 12/03/2009 8:54:42 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Flanker bump.


7 posted on 12/03/2009 8:55:04 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Good Lord deliver us)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Not at all. Personal opinion.


8 posted on 12/03/2009 8:59:09 PM PST by Redcitizen (Zartan for President 2012)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They still have to find out, even if it’s maintenance or..........the “s” word.....sabotage.


9 posted on 12/03/2009 9:00:15 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

There have been reports in the past about engine issues (not unusual for Russian jets), though nothing major-the SU-30 has had a pretty neat safety record in the IAF in about 12 years of service.


10 posted on 12/03/2009 9:04:47 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Redcitizen

Your maintenance capabilities are only as good as the reliability of the supplier. Russian logistics support has been pathetic since the fall of the Soviet Union.


11 posted on 12/03/2009 9:07:39 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I hope you aren’t taking this personally...


12 posted on 12/03/2009 9:15:42 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 316 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They sure look nice.

Is the export version much different than the ones Russia has?


13 posted on 12/03/2009 10:26:53 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'm from TEXAS -- what country are YOU from?)
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To: smokingfrog

Yes-the MKI has some Israeli, French and Indian avionics.


14 posted on 12/04/2009 12:34:54 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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