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MestaMachine | 12/03/2009 | MestaMachine

Posted on 12/03/2009 1:38:50 AM PST by MestaMachine

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To: EBH

Okay, in my mind that’s what I thought you were leading to, but I wasn’t sure. I pray you are right...and with the tea parties etc, the fire IS lit!


161 posted on 12/03/2009 4:11:14 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: GladesGuru; MestaMachine
To paraphrase an exclamation from the '60s... Write On!
162 posted on 12/03/2009 4:12:42 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: EBH
I have not donated a F'n nickle to the GOP for two cycles now.

They know why.....

The problem is that the DC clan has too much influence in the party and they are slow to turn. Not nimble enough to keep up with the changes.

But if you bring them down, you will have chaos and democrats.

163 posted on 12/03/2009 4:13:53 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
What you don't seem to care about is the fact that if you don't do it right, you get a democrat every time.

We have them now. What's the difference between a Dem with a "D" or one with an "R"? None.

164 posted on 12/03/2009 4:15:43 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Yes there is a difference.

If we retake the House for example, those RINOs will be worth their weight in gold. Pain in the ass....Yes......but without them you won't have or ever have the numerical advantage to control the agenda.

Again, that is why I used the words "Marginally better than dem's".

The Democrats have the very same issues with their conservative dems. One can only hope that they kill this healthcare crap because we cannot.

165 posted on 12/03/2009 4:19:46 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
But if you bring them down, you will have chaos and democrats.

You cannot believe what you just posted? WHAT would you have us do?

In my heart I know your are wrong. Bringing them down scares you, yet you'd let them stay? You thought Allen West was a good candidate...go listen to him again. Your fear is unfounded and we can't stay the same.

166 posted on 12/03/2009 4:22:14 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: EBH
I have had almost exactly the same exchange before with a anarchist. Is that your goal?
167 posted on 12/03/2009 4:24:54 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

I am talking about the overturning of the party leadership and you think it will bring anarchy?

We will have anarchy if we do nothing!

Better yet...what’s your plan and goal? You are on this thread poking around and the best I’ve seen from you so far is the status quo.


168 posted on 12/03/2009 4:28:20 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: EBH
You thought Allen West was a good candidate...go listen to him again.

I only watch tv shows once. LOL

Lookee....Alan is in Florida. I suggested he was a good candidate, if you live in Florida, which I don't, then support him. We need people in Washington who will shake things up. But you won't get them by attacking liberal and moderate repubs. If you are effective, you will get a democrat. We lost over 70 of them at one time. All replaced by democrats in liberal, and some moderate states and districts.

In the south the dems ran fake conservatives against the weak repubs and won bigtime. All because the repubs were under attack by a disjointed party that was falling apart at the seams.

After it was all over, the rest of them quit in disgust and the die was cast in 2008.

Sure, you can damage the RNC, but you don't accomplish anything. In fact just the opposite. You help the democrats.

169 posted on 12/03/2009 4:37:24 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

Entropy is what we are already experiencing.
Order in the form of firm committment is what we seek.

Ordo est parium dispariumque rerum sua loca.
Order from disorder (is) sprung.


170 posted on 12/03/2009 4:37:53 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: Cold Heat

So if Voinovich ran again...you’d have me vote for him?

He might as well be a dem.


171 posted on 12/03/2009 4:45:35 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: Cold Heat

The RINOs have no backbone, will still increase govt, taxes etc.. We won’t want either controlling the house and senate. That’s the problem. They’ve had their wake up call this summer. We aren’t just screaming for no reason. They haven’t changed their ways after the wake up call. (one, Joe screamed LIAR...kudos to him) Even if they did win majority....they are choosing to ignore the calls of the “silent majority”, the conservatives. I’m sick of it.


172 posted on 12/03/2009 4:45:42 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: Cold Heat

Why don’t you just write a letter? Is it gonna kill you? Even if you are right, doing nothing should not be an option. BUT!!! What if WE are right and YOU are wrong? If either is true, YOU lose nothing except a few minutes of your time. For all the time it takes you to do ONE post, one letter could prove priceless.


173 posted on 12/03/2009 4:46:16 PM PST by MestaMachine (Your CORE is the path you walk. RINOs don't walk paths, they build roads to nowhere..)
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To: EBH
The party leadership is both elected and appointed by congressional members and party big shots. You can't overturn them. That leadership is not optional.

I have spent the better part of two or three hours saying the same things in as many ways as I could. You don't make political changes by throwing spit wads at people that could care less. You enact changes by convincing the people to change them by voting differently. That is how the Dem's whooped our asses.

You can blast politicians off their perch's all day long, and new copies will pop up until the people change their voting patterns.

We have a good chance to do that beginning 2010 and into 2012, but it won't work for long unless you inform the people why their government has not worked and what republicans and conservatives truly believe. Not the lies they read in the MSM.

174 posted on 12/03/2009 4:47:13 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

We won’t want either controlling the house and senate.
meant “We Don’t WANT”...


175 posted on 12/03/2009 4:47:37 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Vote conservative....Please pray for our Troops, our Vets, our Country, Families and Friends)
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To: Cold Heat
Your insistence that candidates like the Voinoviches of the party do no harm...

I having suffered the experience directly of such animals as RINOs and will disagree. They are not just a PITA!!! I have stacks and stacks of letters robo-returned from his minions. THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE CONSTITUENTS.

You are so very, very wrong in your thinking.

176 posted on 12/03/2009 4:51:32 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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To: MestaMachine
I went through that angry letter writing phase back in the seventies and eighties when being a Republican was a dirty word and we had at times less than a hundred reps in the House. My work and many others culminated finally in the Reagan win in 86 and the eventual defeat of the democrats after 40 years in the wilderness.

I've been where you are, and I'm telling you what worked and what did not work.

The letters and complaints did not work then, and they won't work now. They end up in the garbage after a staffer dumps it there. The politician never sees it, and if you are in their district you will get a polite but fake "thankyou for your concern" reply.

But go ahead....write on.......

177 posted on 12/03/2009 4:54:57 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat
That leadership is not optional.

READ my tagline. This is America and it is all optional.

178 posted on 12/03/2009 4:55:14 PM PST by EBH (it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new Government)
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179 posted on 12/03/2009 5:03:01 PM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: EBH
I don't see Voinavitch being reelected, assuming he runs. He has been crying to much in public.

But yes, in the case of the Senate, a republican vote when you can get it is better than none.

Try holding up one finger and on the other hand no fingers and tell me which hand is the better one to have.

Unless you have a complete idiot, the body still counts as one and power is measured in numbers.

Sure, he's a loser, but they elected him so he's their idiot not yours.

Look here, I live in a rat infested district. When I go to the polls it takes them a while to find a republican ballot. They keep telling me that if I registered as a dem that I could vote on more stuff. They have been telling me that for 35 years and I still chuckle.

I'll never vote for a dem, nor will I ever do something to get one elected.

180 posted on 12/03/2009 5:05:58 PM PST by Cold Heat
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