Beam Me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/02/2009 6:56:37 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
Two key Obama Administration scientists were grilled this morning about Climategate at a hearing of the House of Representatives Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming this morning. The hearing, originally meant to be a review of climate science before Copenhagen, got personal. The hearing suggests that the release of some 1000 e-mails among scientists at the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU) could have long-lasting political implications, as political foes of greenhouse gas controls are citing them as evidence that the science behind the campaign to reduce greenhouse gas emissions is rigged.
Ranking member James Sensenbrenner (R–WI) led the assault, attacking John Holdren, the president's science adviser. Sensenbrenner, a former chair of the House Science committee, quoted an e-mail from 2003 in which Holdren called scientists Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas "amateurs" at interpreting climate data and said that their findings are "flawed."
"How can you be objective on this?" said Sensenbrenner, pointing to the exchange. Holdren said he had come to his views by careful analysis, and his only "bias" was that he had read the Soon and Baliunas paper and found its findings wanting.
Politicians at the hearing used Climategate to suggest that the state of climate science is fundamentally rotten.
I think we have to stop considering "Climate Research" as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board...
"How unfortunate," said Miller, that scientists would work together to undermine a journal whose findings they disagreed with. (Here is Mann's explanation.) Sensenbrenner called it one example of "scientific fascism" that the e-mails revealed.
The head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Jane Lubchenco, did not at first defend the CRU scientists in her appearance before the committee. Instead, she told members that she did not "believe these e-mails are typical" of the scientific community's behavior. But Holdren said that the facts were still out on what the e-mails meant, and he questioned whether the e-mails, as critics allege, are evidence of a larger, more sinister effort.
"If there was manipulation of data that was not scientifically legitimate, yes, I regard that as a problem and I would denounce it," Holdren said. Representative John Sullivan (R–OK) asked Holdren if he thought that improper "manipulation" of science would warrant an investigation. Holdren said that a congressional investigation would be the wrong choice, since the scientific community "has a process" in place for finding truth when questions about the legitimacy of data arise.
Other lines of questioning allowed members to take decidedly cheap shots at the scientific establishment. Given that only 4% of carbon emissions are from man-made sources, said Sullivan, "Isn't it arrogant to think we can manipulate the whole [atmospheric] process?"
"We have manipulated the whole process," said Lubchenco, meaning that man-made emissions had led to warmer temperatures by putting the natural system out of balance.
But Sullivan's rejoinder was that she meant manipulation of the science. "I know you have, changing the numbers," he said, to chuckles in the room. "These are not numbers taken out of the air," protested Lubchenco.
At the end of the hearing chairman Representative Edward Markey (D–MA) delivered an impassioned plea for the public to listen to the bulk of scientific results on climate change. "It would be better to accept the science," he said. "A few e-mails," he added, won't undermine a "century of science."
Who knew there was a Hearing?
"A few truiths," he added, won't undermine a "century of lies."
There, fixed it.....
This is the first I've heard about it.
Now it's time for old time western cowboy justice.
Who's got the rope?
http://globalwarming.house.gov/
It was scheduled prior to the outing of the e-mails....
Holdren would be happy to see you die. The Science Czar co-authored “Ecoscience”- http://www.amazon.com/Ecoscience-Population-Environment-Paul-Ehrlich/dp/0716700298/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books
This review of EcoScience is headed “John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet: Book he authored in 1977 advocates for extreme totalitarian measures to control the population”- http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/
The breaking of the Climate Change Criminal Conspiracy is unravelling and we get to see the complicity media that hides the biggest media story ever. People that know need to work hard with these developments or otherwise we will have a One World Government that will track everymovement of your car claiming taxing you by the mile will save the planet. Switzerland already has the GPS systems and the tax. Saving the world is one thing, but now it is clear we have to worry about saving ourselves.
Be sure and see the Youtube linked at #9....
But Sullivan's rejoinder was that she meant manipulation of the science. "I know you have, changing the numbers," he said, to chuckles in the room. "These are not numbers taken out of the air," protested Lubchenco.
Well...actually, they were. Temperature readings from sites around the world, near aircraft take-off locations at airports, beside airconditioning outlets, sites surrounded by high walls and concrete parking lots, and a few tree rings from some obscure location in Siberia...
And at the White House they still believe in manmade global warming, do they? So tell them, tell algorebull too, turn that thermostat down...what the world needs now is a whole lot of new broom sweeps clean and some good old fashioned fresh air.
Holdren is nothing more then a socialist elitist. I hope he eventually gets his ass fried.... really make it sizzle.
“...congressional investigation would be the wrong choice, since the scientific community “has a process” ...
Yet BO believes a civilian investigation concerning terrorists is the right choice even though the military already has a process in place.
Hey Earn@Beach: good point indeed.
A suggestion to Mann.... perhaps you and all your bozo friends should drop out and become drug addicts and just die. You have served no useful function in regards to the betterment of mankind. You are not scientist nor of any professional caliber that up against real careful professionals in the world of science would stand a chance at suggesting any ideas that come out of your brains. Real assholes at best, and dangerous as hell. Hundreds of trillions of potential dollars sucked out of the world economy into the pockets of those that shun real work. Let that suffice.
A very good point!
Century of science.. LOL
a century of science has not produced a product that will permanently and irreversably eradicate the weeds that keep growing up in my driveway. and yet i am supposed to believe that humans are capable of doing permanent and irreversable damage to a hunk of rock that has been around millions of years longer than we have. when will these idiots STFU AND STFD?
MSM trying to keep it secret.
most people are missing the meat of the story. All the numbers of climate change were based on these fradulant numbers. Therefore ever Climate scientists findings are no longer valid.
everyone that says the science is settled is using the science derived from fradulant numbers.
what these emails do is take every climatic study of the last 15 years and thorws it into the trash can. the entire science community must start over from the beginning not using any of the numbers from these people. Therefore. Nothing is settled.
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