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HHS would become federal giant under Senate (health care)plan (with unprecedented unchecked powers)
Washington Examiner ^ | Nov. 26, 2009 | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 11/29/2009 6:26:38 PM PST by SmartInsight

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be awarded unprecedented new powers under the proposal, including the authority to decide what medical care should be covered by insurers as well as the terms and conditions of coverage and who should receive it.

The HHS secretary would also have the power to decide where abortion is allowed under a government-run plan, which has drawn opposition from Republicans and some moderate Democrats.

And the bill even empowers the department to establish a Center for Medicare and Medicaid Innovation that would have the authority to make cost-saving cuts without having to get the approval of Congress first.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho; communism; governmentcontrol; healthcare; obamacare; rationing; theymightbegiants

1 posted on 11/29/2009 6:26:40 PM PST by SmartInsight
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To: SmartInsight

bttt


2 posted on 11/29/2009 6:29:10 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("A baby is God's opinion that life should go on." - Carl Sandburg)
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To: SmartInsight
What Sebelius would like ~ to turn abortion on and off like water, and probably make it mandatory.

She's mad, but otherwise so typical of all of Obama's third-rate talents ~ so pedestrian, so block-headed, so thuggish.

3 posted on 11/29/2009 6:35:16 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: SmartInsight
“Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius would be awarded unprecedented new powers under the proposal, including the authority to decide what medical care should be covered by insurers as well as the terms and conditions of coverage and who should receive it.”

Why not just have the government decide what items stores should stock on their shelves, and what they should cost? Why not have the government control everything?

4 posted on 11/29/2009 6:39:01 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SmartInsight

Meanwhile, we are paying billions of dollars in interest, even on the Stimulus money that’s not being spent, while people lose everything—including their health. I guess Sibelius likes that power of life and death thing really well. Going big time. Next comes the yanking out of everyone’s insides, for fun. William Wallace was a whiner, after all.


5 posted on 11/29/2009 6:39:29 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: SmartInsight

then why even pass a bill?


6 posted on 11/29/2009 6:44:42 PM PST by television is just wrong (one big ass mistake America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

“unprecedented new powers”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M

Unbreakable union of freeborn republics
Great Russia has welded forever to stand!
Created in struggle by will of the peoples
United and mighty, our Soviet land!

CHORUS:

Glory to you, our free Motherland,
Bulwark of people, in brotherhood strong!
Oh! Party of Lenin! The strength of the people.
To Communism’s triumph lead us on!

2.
Through tempests the sun rays of freedom have cheered us
Along the new path where great Lenin did lead!
To a righteous cause he raised up the people
Inspired them to labour and valorous deed!

CHORUS

3.
In the victory of Communism’s deathless ideal,
We see the future of our dear land
And to her fluttering scarlet banner,
selflessly true, we always shall stand!

CHORUS


7 posted on 11/29/2009 7:01:39 PM PST by garjog (Used to be liberals were just people to disagree with. Now they are a threat to our existence.)
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To: SmartInsight

How this commie b*tch ever get elected governor of Kansas?

What up with that state?


8 posted on 11/29/2009 7:04:38 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan.....a Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
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To: SmartInsight
Health care reform is ONLY about state power over individuals and industries.

Whose right is health care? Do you think it's yours?

Congressman Anthony Weiner has said that health care is not a commodity. If it isn't a commodity then do doctors and nurses have rights? Assigning health care the status of a right makes health care workers slaves to that right who must serve it. On what ground could a health care worker refuse to provide their products and services since that would violate the patient's "basic human right to health care."

That is a direct loss of individual rights for health care providers. The collective right of the people to receive health care would supersede the provider's individual right to set fees and hours or to change their occupational status or even decide how to apply their skills and knowledge if taken to its logical extreme. A collective right, by practical definition, is a state right because it is a right that is created and given by the government to those it chooses to give it to. It is not a natural right possessed by each person protected by the Constitution from the government. It is also a collective/state right by virtue of the fact that it would supersede individual rights when the two come into conflict. How else would the government view a right that it created and administers vs. one it has no control over?

Of course it isn't stated in any bill that a patient's right to care supersedes a provider's right to set fees and hours etc, but it doesn't need to. Rights, as always, are adjudicated in the courts. The Health Care Reform bills simply establish the foundation for the courts to rule in favor of the collective right.

Weiner’s view is collectivist, fascist and totalitarian. Collectivist because it has to be described as being a right of the many instead of the one and superior due to that fact. Fascist because ultimately the sole authority for its creation and oversight is from one entity the Federal government. Totalitarian because the Federal government is the enforcer of this collective right as well. State and local jurisdictions will have little say about it.

Congressman Weiner's view is the underlying philosophy of all of the Health Care Reform legislation in the House and Senate. Consider this section in the Senate version of the bill; the setting up of community watch dogs that will monitor citizens for various health parameters. Read pages 382 - 393.

TITLE I—QUALITY, AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE FOR ALL AMERICANS pps 382 - 393

So, even citizens themselves will be subject to Federal regulations on their behavior in order to fulfill the "human right" of universal health care. It isn't the individual's liberty that is being protected by that it is the government's control over its own health care system that is being guarded. How much clearer can it be that these bills abrogate the concept of individual rights? Someone will be checking your lifestyle, according to gov regulations, to be certain you serve the best interests of the "basic human right to health care" ie. "the Public Option."

HCR is not just about rationing care and wealth redistribution. It's about the end of individual rights as the corrosive effects of the new collectivist "basic human right to health care" spreads throughout the legal and political systems like a virus.

I think that the main purpose of Health Care Reform (HCR) is as a direct assault on individual liberties.

Health Care is a Liberty Issue
Conservative Underground - 18 August 2009 - Tim Dunkin

Another Stupid Argument: Heath Care is a Right

Involuntary Medical Servitude

Obama's Authoritarian, Unconstitutional Health Care Proposal

Defining A Right In America

To Americans Who Believe Healthcare is a Right

OBAMA: HEALTH CARE DESTROYING FREE SPEECH

Mandated health insurance threatens freedom, privacy

Second Bill of Rights aka FDR's economic bill of rights
(An early attempt to embed collective rights into American politics and society.)

Private health care insurers have about 2-3% profit margins. Medicare and Medicaid have about 40% fraud rates. Which do you think is more expensive?

9 posted on 11/29/2009 7:04:41 PM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: SmartInsight


10 posted on 11/29/2009 7:09:54 PM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

11 posted on 11/29/2009 7:14:31 PM PST by MajorThomas (Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.)
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To: muawiyah
HHS would become federal giant....

I thought it was already. Maybe we should say "an order of magnitude more bloated."

12 posted on 11/30/2009 4:00:14 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Joe Wilson said "You lie!" in a room full of 500 politicians. Who was he talking about?)
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To: MajorThomas

One of them is “the Ice Queen”.


13 posted on 11/30/2009 5:32:30 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Why not have the government control everything?
_______________________

Give them time...... it’s only been 10 months. As America watches American Idol, they take away all of our liberties with barely a peep uttered except for a few blogs on the internet.


14 posted on 11/30/2009 8:12:27 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
Why not have the government control everything?
_______________________

Give them time...... it’s only been 10 months. As America watches American Idol, they take away all of our liberties with barely a peep uttered except from a few blogs on the internet.

15 posted on 11/30/2009 8:13:10 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation; Non-Sequitur

I wonder.....People like NS maybe?


16 posted on 11/30/2009 8:15:15 AM PST by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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I wonder.....People like NS maybe?

Nope. Your wrong yet again.

17 posted on 11/30/2009 8:41:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: combat_boots

The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.


18 posted on 11/30/2009 11:32:11 AM PST by MiltonFriedmanFan
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To: SmartInsight

If you read what is in this bill, you will know that freedom in America will be totally lost. This bill gives the US government total control of your life. It also gives them the ability to get into your bank account. They will snoop to see what you buy and where. You will be punished accordingly.

Face it. They are going to force you to buy rationed healthcare or else send you to prison. I am sure if you don’t, you will never get employed, if you comply but haven’t in the past they will just take it out of your bank account.

Freedom will be totally lost. This makes me so sick.


19 posted on 11/30/2009 11:43:22 AM PST by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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