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To: eartrumpet; familyop; FreedomPoster; Tiger_eye

As I said, I lived in Vail, for ten years, and I have also ridden Camp Hale. It is an area that is part of the Vail Town mountain bike series, which is sponsored by the Vail Recreation District, not a rogue band of tattooed, body pierced, renegade, maggot infested liberals.

I am also aware of the rampant use of illegal aliens in the Vail area, and apparently, FO is too, but he applies selective logic for some reason.

We are told by Robinson that he uses “professional Peruvian sheep herders,” but curiously, the reporter never talks to the Peruvian, or verifies anything about him, and he is nowhere to be seen when the dogs are ripping a woman apart for her crime of wanting to finish a Vail Town organized bike race. Additionally, his “professional Peruvian sheepherders” were nowhere to be seen in the days leading up to the race when the course was marked out, or even the day of the race when the herd they are hired to watch began to be threatened by evil citizen predators on mountain bikes? Robinson says he didn’t know about the race, but he also says he found the race going on when he dropped by. He also said another of his dogs had bit someone five days earlier. He has also admitted to being antagonistic toward people who want to enjoy their access to public land that he uses, too. Which might explain why he said if he knew the race was going on he would have moved his herd, but he when he found the race going on he didn’t move his herd.

So according to you all, a woman who participated in a town sponsored race, got off easy, and really deserved to suffer even more serious injuries than she did, or even be killed, and if the Great Pyrenees, or Pit Bulls couldn’t do the job, mountain lions should have because “she screamed” at an inappropriate time?

At least he was found guilty, and now, thanks to his hostility towards innocent civilian mountain biker/hikers, and his incompetence in finding the race going on, that if he knew was going on he would have moved his herd, but he didn’t...now no longer uses sheep dogs and is losing sheep to predators. Guess that means he’s going to have to leave the area, or quit sheep herding?

Oh, the nerve of that evil citizen using public land, and screaming when she shouldn’t have.

What is really frightening is that people like you all probably tell other reasonable people that you are “conservative.”


90 posted on 11/29/2009 9:39:05 AM PST by Nephi ( Bush legacy: "I had to sacrifice free market principles to save the free market.")
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To: Nephi

She was an idiot. Your conception of what it is like in the mountains isn’t too swift either. Just the kind of person that needs a license to step off of the pavement.


91 posted on 11/29/2009 11:31:48 AM PST by TigersEye (Sarah Palin 2010 - We Can't Afford To Wait)
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To: Nephi
Many posters here need to reread the article, but this time pay attention to the part where she says she came over a hill and into the herd.

As someone who has lived in Vail, and mountain biked Camp Hale, which is one of the races in the Vail Town mountain bike series, this is an issue of access. Personally, as citizen of a constitutional republic, I put the lady’s right to access above that of the sheep herder, who has, more likely than not, hired illegal aliens to watch the herd. My sympathy is with the woman who suffered severe injuries for the crime of riding her mountain bike, not with the sheep owner and his illegal alien herders who were no where to be seen while she was being attacked by the two Great Pyrenees.

Perhaps you should have started out by posting your last post instead of this first one that is clearly wrong and assuming. It seems as you were called on your assumptions you have tried to justify them but they were just assumptions. Had you been on this specific ride you may have more insight as to what exactly happened but it seems you weren't.

93 posted on 11/29/2009 12:21:24 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Nephi

“We are told by Robinson that he uses “professional Peruvian sheep herders,” but curiously, the reporter never talks to the Peruvian, or verifies anything about him, and he is nowhere to be seen when the dogs are ripping a woman apart for her crime of wanting to finish a Vail Town organized bike race. Additionally, his “professional Peruvian sheepherders” were nowhere to be seen in the days leading up to the race when the course was marked out, or even the day of the race when the herd they are hired to watch began to be threatened by evil citizen predators on mountain bikes? Robinson says he didn’t know about the race, but he also says he found the race going on when he dropped by. He also said another of his dogs had bit someone five days earlier. He has also admitted to being antagonistic toward people who want to enjoy their access to public land that he uses, too. Which might explain why he said if he knew the race was going on he would have moved his herd, but he when he found the race going on he didn’t move his herd.”

A grazing allotment is controlled by the local National Forest or BLM office. You are allowed to graze so many animals between certain dates. It sounds like the sheepman would move his bands to accommodate local functions going on, but I would bet he doesn’t subscribe to Mountain Bike Weekly to keep up with the upcoming events. If the organizers or the local government offices would have alerted him, he would have moved out of the way, like they said he had done in the past.

When he got there, the race was going on or almost over, why move the sheep then?

All the Peruvian herders I have dealt with a fairly shy until you get to know them. Most of them prefer to deal with their boss and avoid anyone else.

As for your continued jibe of “professional Peruvian sheep herders”, they are Peruvian, they are sheepherders, and they are paid for their job. Sounds like that is exactly what they should be called. These guys grew up herding in the mountains of Peru and it is what they know. Some cheap illegal who managed to get across the border from Chihuahua doesn’t make a good herder at all.


94 posted on 11/29/2009 1:18:43 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Nephi

The sheep herders have been there for decades before you hikers and bikers and perform a useful task. Providing food and wool. You guys are there for cheap thrills. You are late on the scene. Your presumptuousness is a sight to behold

You should find a place to bike where you don’t impinge on ranchers who were there first and have roots there going back a few generations


112 posted on 11/29/2009 6:28:29 PM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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