Is Palin’s lead a pitfall for the pro-life cause? - ALAN KEYES

Loyal to Liberty ^ | November 27, 2009 | Alan Keyes

[EternalVigilance]

I’ll come back later to see your response...

[marajade]

i’ve given all the responses i’m going to give

[Cyber Liberty]

America's fundamental principles are far more important than any politician's future.

So, let me get this straight: If I disagree with the almighty Keyes on any subject, I'm throwing America's fundamental principles under the bus?

Am I reading you clearly? Keyes would have hated Ronald Reagan, from what I hear from him.

[Cyber Liberty]

Point of clarification: From what I’ve read from you over the years, you probably didn’t care for Reagan, either. JMHO.

[Cyber Liberty]

I think you responded fine, EV just didn’t like your answers.

[marajade]

Balance between the three branches of gov’t can be a little tricky to comprehend.

Thanks for your support.

[EternalVigilance]

Strange response. You’re the one making this about Keyes, not me.

I have no idea where you get your ideas about Keyes and Reagan though. Alan has always spoken of his former boss with the highest degree of respect.

[EternalVigilance]

Again, a strange claim, one without foundation or substance.

[Cyber Liberty]

You are all or nothin’. So is Keyes. Reagan would have disagreed because he understood one has to be elected to effect a change. Alan Keyes will never be elected to anything because he fails to understand that. Therefore, Alan Keyes will never enact conservative policies, ever. Shouting is pretty much all he has.

My statement is not so strange to me, in that light. I don’t give a rat’s patootie who Alan Keyes used to work for, this is today, not 1980. Since about 2000 he’s been nothing but a ringing sound in my ears.

[EternalVigilance]

You are all or nothin’.

Only on non-negotiables like the protection of the God-given rights to life, liberty, and private property, and the keeping of the oath to uphold and defend the Constitition.

Do you have any non-negotiables?

[Cyber Liberty]

No, that sums it up pretty well for me.

[sitetest]

Dear EternalVigilance,

Please name for me a proven vote-getting candidate who could run for president that you believe will follow the policies you believe are necessary to accomplish “keep their oath.”

Thanks,

sitetest

[sitetest]

Dear WVKayaker,

Abortion is certainly a sin, but it's also a crime (although it isn't currently defined as one in the United States, but it was for a very long time).

Generally speaking, most countries at most times don't permit private killing in law. This is true of our country, too.

It's a fundamental right not to be unjustly killed. That's why we have laws against private killing. We name all private killings as various forms of unjustified homicide, ranging from crimes like negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter up to premeditated murder.

Even when someone kills in self-defense, that isn't a private killing, as it must be retroactively approved by the state acting on behalf of the society.

The right to take a life resides only in the state, and only to protect the society generally and the innocent specifically or to punish the guilty.

In the United States specifically, no one may the deprived of life except through the sanction of the state, and not without due process of law.

All other killing is a crime.

Abortion is private killing, and it is certainly without due process.

The state has an obligation - constitutionally imposed - to recognize the rights of every person and to protect those rights by equal application of law. Thus, each state is obligated to protect the life of unborn persons. In law.

That's what it says in the 14th amendment.

The federal nexus comes into play where a state refuses to perform its duties under the federal Constitution. The federal government may certainly intervene where state governments contravene the constitutionally-guaranteed rights of entire classes of persons within its borders.

Thus, in any state that refuses to protect in law the lives of unborn persons, the federal government has a constitutionally-mandated requirement to intervene.

Otherwise, the 14th amendment especially, and the 5th amendment, by incorporation, become a nullity.

sitetest

[EternalVigilance]

One thing at a time. When it comes to candidates, my focus is on raising up personhood pro-life candidates at EVERY level. If they won’t keep their oath to secure the Blessings of Liberty to Posterity, and the equal protection of the laws for ALL, they aren’t qualified to serve as dogcatcher. If they’ll sell out little babies, they’ll sell out anything. You just can’t trust them.

[EternalVigilance]

An excellent post.

[WVKayaker]

Generally speaking, most countries at most times don't permit private killing in law. ...

I don't disagree with your premise. I look at it as a problem without a solution. Abortion will not end, with or without laws. My question was simple. How do you enforce your morality?

Clickit or ticket is also the law of the land (and certainly unconstitutional). The news this morning recites the story of 9 dead children in a crashed van, wearing no belts. The state recently passes a law requiring all children to be belted when driving.

You have said to lock up the practitioners, but do you also incarcerate the women? What penalty would there be? Are the men (or female Drs.) more guilty than the women seeking the killing?

The Constitution guarantees a lot of things, but enforcement is always local. I give you Joe Arpaio as example.

Where we disagree, FRiend, is that abortion will end. Sin will continue, whether it is Constitutionally protected or not!

[PhiKapMom]

You don’t me at all — I have gone after Alan Keyes on here many times — in fact I was on a 500 post thread and only two of us opposed what Keyes was doing. EV and I have been in and out of arguments for years on here but the one thing I will say he has as much right to his opinion as I do to mine. Ask EV or any longtime posters and they will tell the same thing. My objection is to this automatically trashing Dr. Keyes or anyone else because he says something about Palin is beyond ridiculous.

Dr. Keyes has a right to his opinion and if you bothered to do the research you would find it stems from comments Sarah made that he went after. I agree with State’s Rights but I don’t want the issue of abortion on the ballot like some referendum that means nothing. IMO it is not an issue for the citizens to vote because we are talking about murdering a baby — pure and simple. That’s what we send people to the State Legislature to do — vote on important issues. I sure don’t want a referendum in my state about abortion. Oklahoma already has passed laws against abortion in case Roe v Wade is ever overturned. That’s the last thing I want to see on a ballot.

This cult worship for any candidate is ridiculous.

[WVKayaker]

Get a room. Your lovefest is blatantly offensive. Your message is lost to deaf ears. Sin is only changed within hearts.

You are welcome to vote for Keyes. As for me, I will stick with the lady in red, with her 5th kid on her hip! She has experience, message, and charisma. Her identity is not questioned, but challenged every day by such people who define themselves to a higher standard than God expects, Himself.

Sarah Palin may be our leader in 2012. I'm putting money into that run! At the least, she is carrying a conservative, Christian message, packaged with a mother's determination! She is making a difference I don't see from your rigid-principled position. The Pharissees would like you.

Click pic for SarahPAC

[EternalVigilance]

Your message is lost to deaf ears.

That's been rather obvious for some time.

[WVKayaker]

What is evident is that you seem to think that any amount of "rules", "laws", or "court decisions" will keep people from committing abortions? Do you spend as much time fighting against the criminal activities of our current "regime"?

Get over the "holier-than-thou" crap, and get real. The only way to stop sin of any type, is to have Jesus Christ become real in their life. All of this world is temporal. People die every day. Many die from murder, that are not unborn children. God is the ruler of all.

If you are approaching this to support Keyes, sorry. I see no reason to spend so much energy without reward. Preach Christ crucified, if you want to see hearts changed. Sin will continue until He returns. At that time, He will put it into the eternal flames.

Get off your soapbox, and tell the Good News.

Sarah Palin has a chance to win. God seems to show favor that way!

Palin book-signing draws long line of eastern Washington fans

Richland lines up for author of "Going Rogue," crowds brave cold and a long night to meet Sarah Palin.

By Erik Lacitis
Seattle Times staff reporter

... "She stands for what we stand for, which is greatly lacking in Seattle," said Debi Danielson, 54, of Yakima. "Only in Seattle can you come up with a government that has the idea that they know how to do everything." ...

... Most of the crowd was older and there were few people waiting in line who looked to be in their 20s or under.

But there was one group of young women.

One of them was Kassie Elfering, 19, of Pasco. She's a sophomore at Columbia Basin College, majoring in pharmacy.

"I like her morals," Elfering said about Palin. "What she says, she believes in. She proves it in real life."

The young woman said that Palin could have pressured her daughter, Bristol, into having an abortion, and that Palin could have aborted her son, Trig, who has Down syndrome.

"But she's pro-life and she proved it in two different ways. She showed her family values," said Elfering.