Is Palin’s lead a pitfall for the pro-life cause?

To: EternalVigilance

The states can decide whatever they wish. The problem is always enforcement.

I posted that multiple times because you keep coming up with same old crap. I'm just saving some time.

Sarah Palin now has 1,072,156 supporters on FaceBook. Keyes has 6,712 supporters. Hmmmmm...

141 posted on 11/28/2009 5:56:25 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

The states can decide whatever they wish.

No they can't.

142 posted on 11/28/2009 5:58:46 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

You can indict a ham sandwich... but it's still just a ham sandwich.

When do you leave the sandbox?

143 posted on 11/28/2009 6:05:38 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

I would call your posts juvenile, but that would be an insult to young people.

The fact that you can’t have an adult conversation about the core principles of our country is extremely telling.

144 posted on 11/28/2009 6:09:46 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

You don't want to have an intelligent conversation". You want to push your POV, which is your right, under the first amendment. It is my right to disagree. I don't need to hear the same screed over and over and over and...

I can certainly hold my own, but it's futile with insanity ruling the sandbox...

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145 posted on 11/28/2009 6:14:00 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

How can I be "wrong"? I've given her exact quote.

The question is, which other unalienable rights do you, and Mrs. Palin, think states have a "right" to alienate, other than the right of the innocent to live?

"No state shall...deprive any person of life...without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

146 posted on 11/28/2009 6:20:30 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

If Massachusetts decided to make all children the property of the state, wouldn't your "logic" dictate that this would be perfectly fine?

If West Virginia decided all kayakers could be killed at will, that would be just dandy, and "constitutional," right?

If Illinois decided to ban all guns, that's not a problem from your standpoint, right?

If North Dakota decided to outlaw trial by jury, no problem, right?

Your position is ridiculous. It is the destruction of every premise of American republican self-government.

The purpose of government, all government, according to the framers of our government, is to protect unalienable rights.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."

147 posted on 11/28/2009 6:29:44 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

FRiend (I use the term generically), you are mistaken in your assessment of what she has stated, and keep screeching this "unalienable" argument, ad vomitum. You are wrong about Sarah Palin.

You can certainly quote anybody on anything and skew it to mean something else. The MSM has made it an artform. Keyes is becoming a disagreeable a..hole these days and has no chance of making a difference. That is the antithesis of Sarah Palin. She is in the lead and gaining ground. She is ALREADY MAKNG A DIFFERENCE with her life and message. I don't agree with her 100%, but I sure agree with her enough to know a winning message.

I am a Christian. I know who wins in the end. I also know that sin exists in the world and no matter how hard you preach against it or legislate against it, it will remain until the end. I is the nature of man (and woman).

I agree that abortion is wrong. I disagree that you will make it go away by any means, except the return of Christ, our Redeemer. I see no way of enforcing morality. God is the ultimate Judge and I'll leave the penalties up to him. In the meantime, I will try to help Sarah Palin lead our country.

Run, Sarah, run...

148 posted on 11/28/2009 6:36:20 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

If anyone wonders why liberty is disappearing in America, it is because of the total abandonment by our political and legal class of the exact principles under discussion here.

Because, these are the foundational premises upon which our liberty was established. Without these uniquely American foundations, you've got a house that rests on shifting sand, awaiting the next storm which WILL complete the destruction of the entire edifice.

149 posted on 11/28/2009 6:37:49 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

The use of that child as some sort of a shield for your inability to discuss the core American principles upon which our liberty depends in an adult manner is rather pathetic and disgusting.

150 posted on 11/28/2009 6:40:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

I see no way of enforcing morality.

So, you're pro-choice.

This has been obvious for awhile.

151 posted on 11/28/2009 6:41:38 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

What is obvious is that you wish to be disagreeable. I don't happen to be "pro-choice". I don't have those answers.

I am sorry if you can't believe that God is in control. How would you enforce your decrees? God seems to allow these things to continue, and I'm pretty sure he's more powerful than US Marshalls.

I'll still choose to support the mom...

152 posted on 11/28/2009 6:49:22 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

I am sorry if you can't believe that God is in control.

God graced us with a constitutional republic in which the people are sovereign under Him. He gave us the liberty to govern our own affairs. It's sad that you despise and laugh at that precious endowment.

How would you enforce your decrees?

We call them laws, of which the Supreme Law is our Constitution.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

153 posted on 11/28/2009 7:00:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

I don't have those answers.

Well, you have this going for you, perhaps: Ignorance is curable.

154 posted on 11/28/2009 7:01:55 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

Never mind your imbecilic pontifications. Just commit this to memory in the scant gray matter twixt your ears -

And I absolutely love Sarah Palin. FR is already basically Palin Country anyway. I personally like her better than all of the current crop of so-called conservative wannabes. Should she declare her intentions to run for the presidency, I?ll be pulling for her all the way. As I said earlier, RINOs be damned!!

posted on 11/24/2009 2:48:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson
(Join the TEA Party Rebellion!! God save this great Republic!!)

155 posted on 11/28/2009 7:19:28 AM PST by jla ("Free Republic is Palin Country" - JimRob)

Pretty pathetic that you have to hide behind Jim. Can’t you think for yourself?

156 posted on 11/28/2009 7:20:45 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

Do you believe that in America our rights to life, liberty, and private property are recognized as self-evidently coming from God, not from any man, and that they are therefore unalienable?

157 posted on 11/28/2009 7:22:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

To: EternalVigilance

If ignorance is curable, why do you continue to post such nonsense?

You haven't answered my questions. How do you enforce your decrees?

I live in eastern WV, about 1.5 hours from the DC beltway. When driving around the beltway, speed limited 55, the right lane (of 4 or five) usually travels around 60. The left lane can have speeds of 75 or more. At rush hour, it is fast or crawl. It crawls when there is a wreck. Lives are like that.

I am far from ignorant. I just disagree with your POV. I realize that the only way to stop sin is to lead sinners to Christ. Faith in His life, death, and resurrection are the only cure for sin and the only way to escape punishment. God allowed sin to come into the world to show us the abundance of His mercy. We can stop all sin through Him, but ONLY THROUGH HIM. It is the power of the Holy Spirit that moves us to change. No document can change that.

I am a Strict Constitutionalist. Show me the enforcement mechanisms for your laws... then we will have an "adult discussion". As for me and my house, we will trust the Lord!

158 posted on 11/28/2009 7:25:45 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)

In Genesis 9, God gave mankind the executive DUTY to protect innocent human life, and to punish those who shed innocent human blood.

Don't blame your failure, and the failure of the politicians you empower, to do so on Him.

159 posted on 11/28/2009 7:31:12 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

So, using your "logic," because you can't stop lawbreakers from breaking the law we shouldn't have any laws?

160 posted on 11/28/2009 7:34:22 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law." - The U.S. Constitution (TWICE))

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