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Wind Turbines Take a Lesson From Lance Armstrong
ScienceNOW Daily News ^ | 24 November 2009 | Phil Berardelli

Posted on 11/25/2009 9:23:06 PM PST by neverdem

Enlarge ImagePicture of turbines

Wind school. Placing vertically aligned turbines closer together gives more wattage for the buck.

Credit: Mariah Power

Arranging wind turbines like a school of fish could reduce the amount of land they take up by 100-fold while maintaining their electrical output, say researchers. Wind farms based on the approach might also be considerably safer for migrating birds.

Whether it's Lance Armstrong bicycling behind his teammates in the Tour de France or a storm of fish slicing their way through the ocean, animals benefit from drafting. The leader breaks through the calm air or water, while the followers enjoy the reduced resistance in the leader's wake.

The same doesn't hold true for horizontal-axis wind turbines(HAWTs), the most common kind of windmill. Placing one HAWT in another's draft drastically reduces the efficiency of the trailing windmill. That's because the turbulent breeze created by the leading turbine's blades can't propel the trailing blades as well as an unobstructed airflow. So engineers spread the giant fans across hundreds of hectares of land--a practice that has created a backlash from people who find the turbines unsightly.

Turn a windmill on its side, so to speak, and the drafting benefit returns. That's what two fluid dynamicists from the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena have discovered. Robert Whittlesey and John Dabiri decided to study how a new type of generator, called a vertical-axis wind turbine (VAWT), stacked up against its more conventional counterpart. VAWTs resemble giant versions of the lawn ornaments that gardeners install to scare away birds and other veggie-loving critters (see picture). The researchers measured airflows at a prototype VAWT array in Glendora, California. They then compared that data with existing studies of how water flows through schools of swimming fish to see how geometrically arranging the arrays affected their performance.

Bunching up the vertical-axis turbines behind a leader pays off, Whittlesey and Dabiri reported yesterday at the annual meeting of the American Physical Society in Minneapolis, Minnesota. In fact, using a new mathematical model they developed from the Glendora data, the researchers found that arranging the VAWT arrays just like schools of fish produced the best results. Such tightly packed VAWT arrays can produce as much electricity as conventional windmills, all while using as little as one-hundredth of the land area. "I don't think I expected to see as great an improvement in the land use," says Whittlesey.

The study revealed that the most efficient arrangement involved alternating the rotational direction of the turbines: a clockwise rotation in the lead turbine, say, with two counterclockwise rotators next in line, followed by three clockwise rotators, and so on. Whittlesey notes that the models are preliminary, so even greater improvements might be possible with further study. And he says that the VAWT arrays could be much less deadly to birds because "the faster they spin, the more solid they appear," thereby allowing birds to see the turbines more easily and navigate around them.

The study shows "great promise," says mechanical engineer Lex Smits of Princeton University. Even if VAWT configurations achieve only half of the land-use gain as suggested, he says, "it would be a major improvement."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: energy; power; vawt; windturbines
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To: neverdem

I suspect that the turbines would have to be closer together than those in the photo for drafting to have much effect. But I could be wrong.


21 posted on 11/25/2009 10:45:36 PM PST by TChad
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To: mylife; familyop; HiTech RedNeck
IT IS NOT EFFECIENT. Can it give you the personal edge? Yes, but it is not efficient

For U.S. Military, More Oil Means More Death

It's not efficient when the "fully burdened" cost is $45 - $400 per gallon for generators?

The other scenario I wonder about is our grids getting fried with an EMP attack. Wouldn't dispersed renewable energy make sense just for personal or local consumption?

22 posted on 11/25/2009 11:02:30 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: mylife

The Betz proof is good for comparing one wind use design to another, but it’s irrelevant where building a turbine on a given site for energy is concerned. For me, it all comes down to dollars spent per wattage produced.

Thus, the paradox that wind energy is more cost-effective in my area (windy much of the time) than solar energy and far more cost-effective than propane or electricity (propane racket and no nearby grid power).

Feast your eyes on the information behind the link below, if you’re really analytically interested in wind energy and not subjectively attached to another pecuniary/political interest. Although we also use PV supplies (good during the few warmer months), the following is the most efficient (dollars/watts) in my area. And BTW, due to cost-saving measures by the commercially built wind turbine manufacturers (magnets, coils and hubs too weak), commercial turbines burn up here.

http://www.otherpower.com/otherpower_wind.shtml

I can build a 10-footer, including tower, permits and electronics for ~ $1200 to get an average of about 450 watts (about 700 tops from minute-averages) in a typical winter wind here. ...a 17-footer costing me about $5000 to build for about 1.5 kilowatts (about 3k tops from minute-averages) in typical winter winds. And those are rated much more conservatively and honestly than the machines built by the corporates.

For the mostly un-windy and un-sunny areas of the eastern lowlands...start burning fecal and other rotting matter for alternative energy, if you like. But don’t try to further regulate against the building of what works in windy and sunny parts of the West.


23 posted on 11/25/2009 11:04:49 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: neverdem

Maybe Obama will just send them along thier way with wind propelled beanies and solar powered HUMMVEES


24 posted on 11/25/2009 11:08:38 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: familyop

Its not feasible and you know it


25 posted on 11/25/2009 11:12:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: neverdem
"The other scenario I wonder about is our grids getting fried with an EMP attack. Wouldn't dispersed renewable energy make sense just for personal or local consumption?"

Yes, but become aware of whether or not they will be practical for a proposed scenario, and beware of the scams.

The Bottom Line About Wind Turbines

I've used some great ideas from the US Army for building tough solar collectors for hot water and radiant heating systems, BTW--not out of plywood but out of steel, glass, and so on.


26 posted on 11/25/2009 11:16:36 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: mylife
"Its not feasible and you know it"

Oh, now that's an objective analysis. [Little irony and sarcasm there.]

It's running appliances and producing heat (diversion load) for several families around here now, as it does through most of the winter nights (winds averaging about 35 knots, gusting sometimes to more than 90). And the trailer hubs will last.

It will be a joy to watch, as the socialistic NIMBY/HOA hags slither back to their lowland cities after losing their ill-gotten retirements up here (on the Rockies). We look forward to the defaults and smaller government policies to come. We will build as we wish on our own properties. Our property does not belong to the busybody neighbors so far supported by free-traitor corporates and governments.


27 posted on 11/25/2009 11:34:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: ModelBreaker

Or, make each turbine individually reversible and control that feature remotely with a computer so you could automatically select the optimum arrangement of clockwise-counterclockwise rotation.


28 posted on 11/26/2009 1:57:35 AM PST by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
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To: maine-iac7

My understanding is that it is real-time energy all the time. Nothing is stored. On top of that, when the blade turbines don't have enough wind to turn them, they rely on electricity to turn them. How crazy is that? Plus, they are an eyesore. Learn more about turbines at Wind Action

These access roads need to be kept cleared during the winter so that the turbines can be checked on when needed. So a snow plow has to go out and clear the access road each time it snows. The generator is on the left.

29 posted on 11/26/2009 4:38:27 AM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: neverdem
"Such tightly packed VAWT arrays can produce as much electricity as conventional windmills, all while using as little as one-hundredth of the land area."

Alright, for the sake of argument, assume this might be true. Now how does that compare with the watts/acre for nuclear?

30 posted on 11/26/2009 6:17:18 AM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: rabidralph
Ah, but millions of our ‘stimulus’ money has gone for the manufacturing of these behemoths - to factories in China!

Silly me, I thought that money was to create jobs in America.

And then they have to be shipped across the ocean. Those things are humongous...that must be quite a bill - and a massive amount on energy for such shipping.

All a massive scam.

The Washington pols have been playing footsie under the table with China for decades now. And alGora is a master player. I'd like to see him go down but if there is a real investigation and heads start to roll - re the phony data on climate control - he'll throw everyone else under the buss. I just want to live long enough to see him get his just deserts. Evil personified.

31 posted on 11/26/2009 8:05:46 AM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: maine-iac7

Wind turbines get the largest chunk of tax dollar support among all alternative energy scams, er, sources.


32 posted on 11/26/2009 8:29:11 AM PST by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: HangThemHigh
Alright, for the sake of argument, assume this might be true. Now how does that compare with the watts/acre for nuclear?

See the link in comment# 22. I'm thinking about their utility off grid in remote locations, e.g. forward operating bases. What good is nuclear if your grid is fried in an electromagnetic pulse attack?

33 posted on 11/28/2009 2:28:38 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: maine-iac7
Ah, but millions of our ‘stimulus’ money has gone for the manufacturing of these behemoths - to factories in China!

Be that as it may. An old Westinghouse plant, built in '72 to make gas turbines, which later made big electric motors, but is now Teco-Westinghouse (TECO is a Taiwan company) is building them just north of Austin.

These are not tiny turbines either.


34 posted on 11/28/2009 4:11:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem

at any given moment, a minimum of 10 % of the wind machines are idle. They don’t work in a sustained manner.

This means you can take the maximum out put and deduct 10-20 % for out of service.

This statement is bases on firsthand witness of hundreds and hundreds of the machines in Texas, Colorado, Wyoming and Idaho. I actually made counts of those operational and idle


35 posted on 11/28/2009 5:49:58 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Lukenbach Texas is barely there)
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