Posted on 11/24/2009 10:25:48 AM PST by Red Badger
That is a very “tame” peice for Nature. I wonder who got the despicable assignment of having to print it and what they did to deserve this?
Half the article is the defense while the direct manipulation of the peer review process and the scientific journals themselves don’t get a mention.
Interesting.
Perhaps this is the first of what will ultimately be a flood of small but important stiletto wounds that Jones can expect to suffer in the coming months. They will have to cut this guy loose to try to save themselves.
Oh, they have - in non-peer reviewed journals. That's because the AGW proponents - according to this very email dump - controlled whose work was peer-reviewed.
Look at the LAST line of the article where Nature says this..............’However, von Storch believes that, at least until the affair is resolved, Jones should cease reviewing climate science for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.’
Now look at what von Storch actually SAID ON HIS BLOG.........’Another conclusion could be that scientists like Mike Mann, Phil Jones and others should no longer participate in the peer-review process or in assessment activities like IPCC.’
Once again a supposed credible media source COVERS for the fraudsters, in this case by misrepresenting what von Storch writes in his own blog about what should happen to the likes of Mann and Jones.
I guaranty if I bring this up over the holidays nobody will know what I'm talking about and then tell me to stop listening to Rush Limbaugh.
This what von Storch actually said on his OWN blog........... A conclusion could be that the principle, according to which data must be made public, so that also adversaries may check the analysis, must be really enforced. Another conclusion could be that scientists like Mike Mann, Phil Jones and others should no longer participate in the peer-review process or in assessment activities like IPCC.’
Quite a bit different than the hacks at Nature ‘quoted’ him as saying
That isn't the refute, a$$bagger. The refute is that 1) is not caused by CO2 and humans and 2) It has been warmer as recently as the Medieval Warming Period and the cycles are normal.
BTW - Analysis showing the earth warming has been replicated. Unfortunately, it showed that your hockeystick missed the Medieval warming period and some cooling again during the industrial age. When you said they were wrong, they asked for your data so they could prove it with your own data. But, alas, first it was lost, then it was confidential, then it was proprietary.
Give those liars the Haman treatment.
What a non-sequitor!
Falsifying data is fraud in and of itself. It has nothing whatsoever to do with any other analysis.
That's like saying "If anyone thinks I shot and killed somebody, they are free to go and prove that somebody else didn't shoot someone!"
Then it was hacked.............
Whistling past the graveyard alert...
If the facts speak for themselves then why not release the actual data?
We all know why now. It's because the data doesn't show warming until you massage, twist, and manipulate it .
“There are apparently lots of people who really do think that global warming is an evil socialist plot, and that many scientists are part of the plot and deliberately faking their science,”
“I DO I DO!”
“We must embrace Environmentalism, for Socialism to survive”
-Hans-Jochen Vogel, Chairman of the West German Social Democratic Party-1989
“The threat of environmental crisis will be the ‘international disaster key’ that will unlock the New World Order.” — Mikhail Gorbachev 1996
Nah... It’s not an evil Socialist plot, right???
Where is Algore? I would think an interview with him right now would be very interesting.
Yes, seems to be a rather coy article.
What you said.
It's also worth pointing out that any data supporting the claim of AGW, if it exists, these "scientists" will refuse to produce to the public.
Algore is the 21st century’s version of Piltdown Man, another famous fraud uncovered in England after decades of scamming science.
Devilishly clever. Hide your conspiracy right out in the open.
Oh Algore - you have some ‘splainin to do ...... Please he never deserved a capitol A
Here is a quick primer on reproducibility.
It is fundamental that scientific results have to be reproducible in order to be accepted as valid. You have to describe exactly what you did, in sufficient detail for somebody else to be able to reproduce what you say you did. If they can't, and you can't explain where they went wrong, then the result should be written off as erroneous or even fraudulent
Publications have a data availability policy. This varies from publication to publication, but it is a common condition of acceptance that authors agree to honour any reasonable request by other researchers for materials, methods, or data necessary to verify the conclusion of the article. This policy is in support of experimental replication. Because without data availability you don't have science, you have assertion.
For an example of a DAP: Nature's data availability policy can be viewed here
And I quote:
An inherent principle of publication is that others should be able to replicate and build upon the authors' published claims. Therefore, a condition of publication in a Nature journal is that authors are required to make materials, data and associated protocols promptly available to readers without preconditions.
Some publications, notably Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B (the Biology journal of the Royal Society) go further than this, requiring their authors to place the supporting data in the public domain prior to submission. This is an example of a ‘strong’ DAP.
Are these DAPs enforced? In the case of the journals Science or Nature, I get the impression that they’re not well enforced – at least not with respect to AGW articles. In the case of Philosophical Transactions, they are rigorously enforced. In passing, the PT’s rigorous DAP is the reason why we now know that Briffa’s hockey stick graph was based on modern data taken from a mere dozen trees while masses of other tree-ring data was ignored. This is the so-called "Yamal Implosion".
Seriously, if you have an ‘extremely well-regarded peer-reviewed journal’ that doesn’t both require and enforce rigorous data-availability on its contributing authors then it might as well be a children's comic.
These CRU emails are apparently genuine: which means that some or all of the writers were holding back or even destroying experimental data. And - apparently - in defiance of an FOI. That’s not science, but it might be jail-time.
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