Posted on 11/22/2009 1:35:43 PM PST by Steelfish
Strawman.
Lesbian groups DO want books banned from libraries...
Books by ex-gays...
http://chicagoist.com/2009/10/22/chicago_group_claims_ex-gay_books_b.php
So how about instead of running all over in hysterics, with your head cut off throwing terms like “book burner” around, how about you specificlly defend putting this specific book into the library that parents may not object to...
Instead of flinging insults and hysterical emotional arguements...
Turner Diaries much like The Hunter is a Christian Identity/Posse Comitatus call to arms.
In Cold Blood is a subjective narrative of a true story about a horrific killing in the Midwest thru the eyes of Truman Capote who interviewed the two killers and is hardly an endorsement of the killer's actions. It's like a gay Helter Skelter.
William Pierce (or was it Pete Peters?)wrote Turner to motivate folks...and oddly enough as crazy as it seemed way back then some of his absurd diatribes have sadly actually come circle....that I woulda never thought.
Challenging being a social liberal surrounded by bigots and book burners on a conservative forum?
I still can't believe you are what....40 and have all these kids?
I mean your arguing style and idealism is very youthful...reminds me back when i was a lefty libertarian and so full of myself and loved being so self righteous and telling all the world how wrong and prejudiced they were....made me feel superior and empowered...my daddy always just laughed at me.
LOL..you think I'm kidding but I used to be like you....even had the Jewish girlfriend (wife in yer case) too..lol
anyhow I'm sticking to the notion that communities have the right to reject stuff...and that is part of parenting too....preserving a decent environment for your kids....by your logic, why fight crack dealers or whores on the corner?
it's the parents responsibility to teach the kids right?
please tell me you see the flaws in your heartfelt premise..
Not a straw man as I am consistent and do not believe outside groups should dictate what books can and cannot go into a public library.
Therefore, gay groups have no right to demand that anti-gay books be banned from the public library and anti-gay groups have no right to demand that pro homosexual books be banned from the public library.
lol...TD would have a hard time letting racist stuff off the hook....that is his call to arms believe me.
It’s funny how folks keep mentioning Turner Diaries.
I read that 20 years ago and thought the writer was nuts.
Now Holder has made discrimination a crime not just a civil grounds for lawsuit but a crime.
And affirmative actions, diversity training and so forth have become pervasive in our culture.
Throw the white supremacy and Jews=ZOG junk out and that stuff is no longer simply the fantasy of a kook in West Virginia.
Too late...gay groups have allready become the gate keeper:
http://www.bilerico.com/2009/10/ex-gays_attack_librarians.php
“But libraries are not merely crap emporiums. We don’t have endless budgets or endless shelf space. Librarians don’t put every book ever made on our shelves. There is a reason why you need a masters degree to buy books for most public libraries. It is because picking books for a library is a very fine skill.”
“This guest post is by Sarah Stumpf, a bisexual feminist librarian who used to work with the GLBTSSS Library on the Indiana University campus and now works as a Teen Librarian in the south Chicago suburbs.”
So your argument that it “shouldnt” happen is moot....your argument that these groups will seek to ban books is moot...
Both have allready happend...
Here’s the poison SHE pushes on teens and I’m quite sure you will easily find them all in her library...now that she has a job as a teen librarian suggesting reading material:
[EDITOR’S NOTE:] This guest post is by Sarah Stumpf. Sarah is a 24 year old bisexual feminist who just finished her Master’s Degree in Library Science at Indiana University. She enjoys volunteering with the GLBTSSS Library in Bloomington, IN and spending time with her girlfriend and their two cats.
Since folks seem to be having fun making lists of their favorite influential GLT books (check out 10 Books Every Gay Boy Should Read, 10 Books Every Lesbian Should Read, and 10 Books Every Transperson Should Read ), I wanted to add my two cents. And since there was no list for bisexuals, I decided to make one.
I’m a librarian (just finished my MLS, looking for a job) so to say that books are important to me would be a gross understatement. Books saved me as 15 year old bi girl growing up in conservative Catholic Wisconsin, where I didn’t know any GLBT people and thought there was something wrong with me for thinking my boyfriend was hot and female friends were too. They helped me understand that I was not alone. They were my friends when no one understood, my rock when I needed support, and my joy when I read something particularly smart, funny, or just wonderful. I wouldn’t be as well adjusted and intelligent if not for queer books in general, but as a bisexual, the books on this list represent some of the finest nonfiction I have ever encountered on a subject near and dear to myself.
1. The Bisexual’s Guide to the Universe: Quips, Tips, And Lists for Those Who Go Both Ways by Nicole Kristal and Mike Szymanski
This books is not only the first winner of the first Bisexual Lambda Literary Award in 2006, it is friggin’ hilarious. It is divided into sections, Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced, so it really has something for everyone. It includes the authors own personal experiences along the way, so it never becomes dry or academic. There is also all sorts of useful content, like a guide to Bi film, that you won’t find elsewhere. And because it is written for bisexuals by bisexuals, bisexuality is not just a token mention, it is the real focus. And it is very very funny, sarcastic, snarky, and generally just fun to read.
2. Bi Any Other Name: Bisexual People Speak Out by Loraine Hutchins and Lani Kaahumanu
One of the most famous books about bisexuality, and still one of the most important. In 1991 this book shattered the idea that there was a ‘typical’ bisexual by challenging the stereotypes that still plague us today (namely that some people think we’re very very slutty). The book is a collection of personal stories, and you can hear from bisexuals in their own words about bi invisablity in the GLBT community and among straight people. It includes a history of bi activism in the USA (until 1991) and while it is getting a bit dated, it was one of the first books I read that made me feel like home, like I had found my people.
3. Bisexuality and Transgenderism: InterSEXions of the Others edited by Nathan Alexander and Karen Yescavage
I’m only halfway through this book, but already I love it. This book is very eclectic. It s essays includes personal stories, poems, academic research, theory, film criticism, and history. But it confronts head on controversy of the term bisexuality – is it inclusive or does it exclude transpeople? Does it revolutionize gender or just reinforce binary? How does the term bisexuality interact with queer? And where do transpeople and other genderbenders fit in the bisexual world? Great questions, great anthology, and so far, I have more questions then answers.
4. Getting Bi: Voices of Bisexuals Around the World edited by Robin Ochs and Sarah Rowley
Confession: I totally love Robin Ochs. Not only because she is the tireless face of bi activism, but because when she does something, she does it WELL. This book is done well. The essays in this book, written by bisexuals from around the world, give an international context to discussions about bisexuality that are so often limited by a Western (and American) world view. In reading them, I felt like I began to understand myself not just as one lone bi girl, but as a part of something bigger and worldwide. But it also confronted my particular white American bias when people spoke about conditions, situations, and cultures that challenged my assumptions about bisexuality and about the countries where the authors lived.
5. Bi Lives: Bisexual Women Tell Their Stories by Kata Orndorff
Bisexual women have issues of their own, namely an American culture that values female bisexuality if it exits for the pleasure of men, but denies female bisexuals their own sexual agency. The author interviewed numerous bisexuals of different stripes, including women of color and disabled bisexuals. The transcripts of these interviews make up this wonderful collection that hits all sorts of issues around bisexuality in the lives of every day women. Some interviewees are out, some are not. Some have been victims of abuse. Most have faced discrimination from the Gay and Lesbian portions of the community, and sexism from their straight friends and family. And even though it can tread on the depressing, the diversity of the bi community (good and bad) is important to understand.
6. Bi Men Coming Out Every Which Way edited by Pete Chvnay and Ron Jackson Suresha
Bi men have their own issues, namely exclusion and derision by Gay men and the utter invisibility of bisexuality in men outside of the pervasive ‘sleazy married guy’. The men in this anthology come to bisexuality from various life paths, some previously identified as straight, some as gay. Some came out as bisexuals at an early age and others are still closeted, even to their closest friends. They talk about bisexuality in the era of AIDS and the intersection with bear culture (the authors previously did a bear anthology). As a bi woman, this book helped me understand the male half of the bi community better.
7. Current Research on Bisexuality by Ronald Fox
This book is a bit dry and academic, collecting the results of various scientific studies about bisexuals, bisexuality, non-monogamy, and cultural perceptions of these ideals. But it is important to understand how science works for us and against us. Since bi people are usually excluded from many scientific studies (apparently we’re too much of a variable for research in genetics, parenting, and pretty much anything else), Fox tells us what science does know about bisexuality. Great resource if you have a homophobic/biphobic relative, friend, or coworker that keeps insisting science is on his side.
8. Bi America: Myths, Truths, And Struggles Of An Invisible Community by William Burleson
This book specifically looks at the bisexual community, by going to bi picnics, conferences, support groups, and performances. It also looks at bi history. Especially if you feel like you are the only bisexual you know, this book is great. I think I always knew there must be a bi community out there somewhere, but this book showed me where it was, why I couldn’t find it on my own, and how to find it for myself. It made me feel less lonely.
9. Bisexual Politics: Theories, Queries, and Visions by Naomi Tucker
This book brings the theory. It can get boring to listen to the same stories of invisibility, stereotypes, and coming out over and over again. So this book gives a series of explanations WHY we face these things and how to overcome them. It is more academic then some of the other books on this list, but it is also vital because it includes multicultural issues that often are overlooked when we focus solely on biphobia.
10. Eros: A Journey of Multiple Lovers by Serena Anderlini-D’Orofio
We spend so much time trying to combat the stereotype that all bisexuals are slutty, that I think we inadvertently condemn sex, sexuality, and any bisexual who is not monogamous. This autobiography of a bisexual polyamorous women challenges the idea that there is something wrong with wanting male and female partners simultaneously, and that a person who wants such things cannot be successful and happy. This controversial book asks the reader to challenge their own feelings about monogamy and hopes that there can be a space for bisexuals of all stripes, not just the monogamous bi poster children.
Ah yes...wonderful material there...
I also read "Helter Skelter" and managed not to send kids with heads full of acid into the Hollywood Hills to murder a pregnant actress.
And if I were to read the "Turner Diaries," I am quite sure that I would not attempt to exterminate races of people and overthrow the government. Moreover, if one of my kids were to read the "Turner Diaries," I am damn sure they would accept the authors premiss.
I still can't believe you are what....40 and have all these kids?
44 with three kids.
I mean your arguing style and idealism is very youthful...reminds me back when i was a lefty libertarian and so full of myself and loved being so self righteous and telling all the world how wrong and prejudiced they were....made me feel superior and empowered...my daddy always just laughed at me.
I grew-up in the deep south and in South America and my very conservative father taught us that we were equal to those brown people in South America and those black folks in New Orleans.
When I was four or five, my dad brought home some homeless kids who were living on the streets of Bogota and told me to go to my room and pick out clothes to give to one of the kids. At first I resisted and he explained to why I should give some of my clothes to that kid.
In New Orleans, a few years later, I became friends with a black kid that lived on the next block. Some of our white New Orleans neighbors said crap to me about my choice of friends and dad was there to tell me that I was right and they were wrong.
Dad was right.
LOL..you think I'm kidding but I used to be like you....even had the Jewish girlfriend (wife in yer case) too..lol
As for the Jewish wife, I knew within 15 minutes of meeting her that we would be married. And yes, some of my old school New Orleans relatives objected.
I'm sticking to the notion that communities have the right to reject stuff...
That's fine and good, but who in the community gets to reject books? Does everyone in the community get to reject library books or is it just the people that "wardaddy"approves of that get to reject books for the public library?
Please let me know when a librarian sticks a gun to your head and forces you to read one of those books, but until then you are free not to read those books.
Helen, my joy and my beloved,
Why do we stay? I have no reason beyond a few pupils who would miss me briefly, and your life would be infinitely better away from him. Let us go away together, away from the anger and imperatives of men. We shall find ourselves a secluded bower where they dare not venture. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement. In the evenings I shall read to you while you work your cross-stitch in the firelight. And then we shall go to bed, our bed, my dearest girl.
From the book "Sisters" by Lynne Cheney
And no, I do not believe that Lynne Cheney's book should be banned from libraries.
LMAO...that’s it?
sheesh...
How blind are you to see the clear agenda of the left interwoven into the halls of education INCLUDING the library system...
here’s the quote of the day from sex etc:
“Sexuality is a big issue. Some teens find it hard to figure out whether they are straight, bi or gay.”
—Sophie, 14, Washington
14!!!!!!!!!!
Oh gee..here’s the glossery of terms:
http://www.sexetc.org/page/glossary/
Here’s their sponsor:
And oh gee...what a shock....:
http://answer.rutgers.edu/page/webresources/
5th on the list:
http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/home/index.html
hrm...do I really need to link up “fistgate” or have you seen enough to understand that you and your holy attitude are being used as a tool for the homosexual lobby that seeks access to recruit more youth into the homosexual lifestyle.
Connect the dots.
The people are right to not want this poison in their local library.
In a place like Ames, Iowa, 100 names on a petition could be fairly representative of a sizable percentage of the population.
I would recommend those 100 people see if they can get 10,000 names. They probably could.
My children would not be using that library at all, it would be off limits to them.
If the Library has a “Friends of the Public Library” event to raise money, it would be a good time to organize a public demonstration.
I am not saying that I would encourage any of my children to read the websites that you have found.
However, some other parent may encourage their children to read such material and in that case, those kids should be free to do so.
As for me, I will rely on the judgement of my wife, my kids and myself to determine what they read.
Our Family does not need Community Do-Gooders dictating what is right and what is wrong for our kids to read.
And now that you have said that you want to control what my kids read, would you also like to dictate what they eat, drink, study and do for entertainment?
And in Ames, Iowa, a college town, someone could have a list by lunch time of 100 people that want Sarah Palin's new book removed from the library.
Would that be okay with you, or do you only want the people you agree with to sign petitions demanding that books be removed from the library?
In all of those trips, we have never had to object to a book that one of the kids picked.
Sounds familiar. But let me ask you this one question: when your two of reading age were younger, say age 7 and 12, would you want the right to approve what they purchase on one of those trips? Just in case...
You may, as a parent, choose as a parent to have a non-censorship policy with your children. That is your right. I, on the other hand, may wish to shield mine from some items, particularly when they are younger. That is my right.
As I stated previously, it's not that I object to the library stocking the item. Rather, it's that I wish to be asked before they sign the book out to my child.
But I am not talking from simple personal agreement with myself. I'm talking about real life where young people are easily lured to smut in a public library. Being 53 years old and having raised seven children, and being a minister and having to counsel young people and families, I know what easily lures, tempts, and entraps young people.
Young people were given parents by God, and it is first the parents’ responsibility (not first the government's or the library's).
What should happen first is that parents who love their children and understand their responsibilities before God is to make such a library off limits to their children.
In Ames, Iowa, Christian parents should simply put that library (or that whole library system) off limits.
Unfortunately, “No man is an island” (”No man liveth unto himself or dieth unto himself”), and so the young people who use that library and are lured to such smut are not only going to be hurt themselves in their morals and respect for others, but that damage will affect the family and the surrounding society.
“Oh, let him take drugs—he's only hurting himself. It's his freedom and his business and not ours.” A lie.
“Oh, let him become a drunk—he's only hurting himself. It's his freedom and his business and not ours.” A lie.
“Oh, let him read smut and look at porno, he's only hurting himself. It's his freedem and his business and not ours.” A lie.
“Oh, let them look at books in the public library that weaken their resistance to vice, illicit sex, sodomy, adultery, etc., they are only hurting themselves. It's their freedom and their business and not ours.” A LIE.
BIG FAT LIES OF THE DEVIL.
These things never stop with the young people initially exposed to smut or other vices. They have an outgrowth toward other young people, into the family and into the neighborhood and into the society.
If you are a Libertarian, I would like to know, because I am compiling view points from Libertarians on social issues.
I just want to make the people distributing the smut to be accountable for it. If they can handle it, it must not be too bad.
Exactly. My point is that the liberals want the decision on what to stock and what not to stock to be the exclusive, behind the scenes, and un-reviewable decision of the librarians, whose academic departments are among the most lefty departments in the university.
Ah, a crack in the dam.
Would you grant the same treatment to "Teen Sex", so that it could only be checked out with parental permission?
We're not talking about "banning from the library", we're talking about "not being made available to children in the library".
I've read both. The difference between them is that "In Cold Blood" was not a book-length advocacy for murdering a family in a Kansas Farmhouse, while "Turner Diaries" was an advocacy for the necessity for race war.
Despite certain well-publicized cases, murdering families in Kansas farmhouses is not an endemic issue among teens, while sex and pregnancy is. Consequently, parents have an interest in ensuring that kids are not exposed to material that advocates the "if it feels good, do it and don't feel guilty about it" position.
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