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Teen Sex Magazine to Stay on Shelves at Iowa Library [Parents Rebuffed]
FoxNews ^ | November 22nd 2009

Posted on 11/22/2009 1:35:43 PM PST by Steelfish

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To: trumandogz

The Nanny State is distributing the smut


61 posted on 11/22/2009 4:07:04 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: trumandogz

Wow, excellent argument, there. Because that’s what we’ve all been saying. /sarc


62 posted on 11/22/2009 6:11:56 PM PST by inglorious_basterd
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To: AppyPappy
The Nanny State is distributing the smut

Perhaps, but do you really want each person in the community to have the power to pul items that they deem to be inappropriate off the library shelf?

If that is the case, the libraries would have no books.

63 posted on 11/22/2009 7:52:23 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Crim
Would you also favor “gayme magazine” being placed in a library?

I am not a reader of “gayme magazine,” but if you or other readers of “gayme magazine” want it to be in the library, you should make a request.

Or if after reading several issues of “gayme magazine,” you do not wish for it to be in the library, you can send your objections to the American Library Association.

64 posted on 11/22/2009 7:58:26 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: inglorious_basterd

Actually, there was a poster the suggested that the library be burned.


65 posted on 11/22/2009 7:59:31 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
No, unlike many here, I am not one for banning books in the public library.

I have a feeling that some current First Amendment supporters might change their tune if a librarian started stocking the shelves with The Turner Diaries, White Supremacist magazines, and Christian Identity works.

All libraries practice censorship, in the sense that not every published item can be stocked, and somebody has to decide what to stock and what not to stock. The real question is who gets to make those decisions.

66 posted on 11/22/2009 8:06:58 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Drew68; Steelfish
The magazine is written by and for teens under the oversight of Answer...

Is this "ANSWER" the same organization that marched with a banner proclaiming, "We'll support our troops when they FRAG their officers?"

They're just another batch of inbreed, mouthbreathing freaks.

67 posted on 11/22/2009 8:13:28 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Tex-Con-Man; markomalley

I have three kids, two of which are of reading age and the the two that do read are very academically successful.

Part of their success I attribute to our encouragement of reading and never objecting to a book that they wish to read.

In our home, we have a library that contains thousands of books ranging from my undergrad and graduate school texts, my wife’s undergrad and law school texts and thousands of books we have each collected and read over the years. Many of those books are political, some very conservative and some very liberal.

In our home there are lots of books and no TV!

Ever since my oldest was four or five we make a family outing to a book store at least once a month and each of us buys at least one book. In all of those trips, we have never had to object to a book that one of the kids picked.

I can trust what they elect to read and with the one that is of college age, I have to right to object to what he reads.

And both these kids are very bright, they get most of that intelligence from their mother, but their love for reading is what has helped them the most.

They both read and understood Joyce’s “Ulysses” while in the early years of high school. That book damn near kicked my butt as a senior in college.

It is strange, my 19 year old son and 14 year old daughter discuss “Ulysses” at the dinner table, and delve very deep into the subject matter.

So yes, we have an open book policy and it has worked out well.


68 posted on 11/22/2009 8:17:26 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: PapaBear3625

“All libraries practice censorship, in the sense that not every published item can be stocked, and somebody has to decide what to stock and what not to stock. “


This is so obviously true...it is amazing that anyone on here would be following the liberals’ slogan against “book banning” whenever a politically correct publication is involved. Liberals are the biggest banners America has ever seen.

They totally control the library association. Picking and choosing a collection of materials in library is supposed to be based on some principal and public health would be one. Serving up porn to kids is not exactly healthy and the parents know best and they should be respected about that. If a parent wants to dish porn to their kids, do it on their own dime and don’t bother the whole community with the problem.


69 posted on 11/22/2009 8:18:05 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: PapaBear3625
I have a feeling that some current First Amendment supporters might change their tune if a librarian started stocking the shelves with The Turner Diaries, White Supremacist magazines, and Christian Identity works.

Not me.

70 posted on 11/22/2009 8:19:17 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

So where’s the line? Should Playboy’s fifty year anthology be on the shelf in the stacks? How about Madonna’s “Sex?” Picture books of hard-core gay midget porn where anyone may peruse it?

Is your philosophy “anything goes?”


71 posted on 11/22/2009 8:19:40 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: timm22; Steelfish
If a parent creates a child, and then says "raising this child responsibly is too hard...I need the government to help me," isn't that contrary to personal responsibility?

I don't think anyone here is saying "raising this child responsibly is too hard..."

I think they're saying "If that pervert in the dirty rain coat tries to come near my child, I'll kill him."

Can you hear us now?

72 posted on 11/22/2009 8:38:05 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: trumandogz

No...not a reader...but you might have at least looked it up before you approve of it being in libraries...

“gayme” is the NAMBLA magazine....

Maybe ask the wife how she feels about the “protocols of the elders of Zoin” being available for teens check out to read without their parents approval...

Or perhaps the “turner diaries”....light reading for the impressionable teen...


73 posted on 11/22/2009 9:07:32 PM PST by Crim
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To: trumandogz

“I have a feeling that some current First Amendment supporters might change their tune if a librarian started stocking the shelves with The Turner Diaries, White Supremacist magazines, and Christian Identity works.

Not me.”

Ok then...Turner diaries A-ok with trumandogz...

Check.

Which either means...

A)you dont know what the “turner diaries” are...

or

B) you are simply an educated idiot.


74 posted on 11/22/2009 9:15:08 PM PST by Crim
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To: Grizzled Bear
So where’s the line? Should Playboy’s fifty year anthology be on the shelf in the stacks? How about Madonna’s “Sex?”

Yes, but perhaps not in the stacks, but rather behind the library counter.

75 posted on 11/22/2009 11:54:29 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Nonstatist
Are you kidding? For every 100 that actually take the effort to complain there might be 100 that strongly agree.

So, according to you, if someone in Ames, Iowa were to get 100 people to sign a petition to remove Sarah Palin's book "Going Rouge" from the library shelves, the book should therefore be removed?

76 posted on 11/22/2009 11:57:06 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Crim
Ok then...Turner diaries A-ok with trumandogz...

Yes, but they may want to keep that one behind the counter so that it can only be checked out by adults.

And simply because someone reads a book such as the "Turner Diaries" does not mean that they are likely to become a terrorist, killing people and overthrowing the federal government.

And while I never did read the "Turner Diaries" I did as a pre-teen read "In Cold Blood" and managed to live the last 34 years of my life without murdering a family in a Kansas Farmhouse.

77 posted on 11/23/2009 12:04:16 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Hodar; Crim; AppyPappy

I disagree but I do think they need more than 100 signatures to make it stick.

Excusing our culture war excesses with the notion that the parents can simply handle it all is nonsense.

I have 5 kids, it is a constant battle to confront the barrage of junk thrown at your kids and the PC garbage they get hit with at schools from indoctrinators.

If a community does not like this junk in their library then they have the right to oppose and remove it with enough folks taking action.

In a liberal area like Marin county they might love it and the majority would rule but in McMinnville Tn maybe not.

That is the proper course of freedom as determined by local standards.


78 posted on 11/23/2009 12:07:56 AM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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To: Crim

So would you like to make a list of books and subject matter that should be banned from libraries?

If so, can I also make a list of books that should be banned from libraries?

After that, can my lesbian neighbors also make such a list.

And then the local atheists, Muslim Radical, Communist Professor, radical feminists, Christian Conservatives, Neo-Nazis, Black Radicals, Latino Activists, Republican Chairman and Democratic Chairman can all make lists of books that they feel should be banned from the library.


79 posted on 11/23/2009 12:09:49 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Dr. Thorne
American society does have standards even if you don’t.

LOL...he has plenty of standards when it comes to seeing white on black racism which he views as pervasive.

80 posted on 11/23/2009 12:10:16 AM PST by wardaddy (The movie Valkyrie was excellent...I was surprised. What a cast.)
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