Will Texas’ State Sovereignty be a major issue in the battle for the Republican Governor’s race?

Texas Tenth Amendment Center ^ | 11-22-09 | Texas Tenth Amendment Center

[TWohlford]

“You seem to be under the illusion that TEXAS as a Country...”

And you seem to be under a delusion of grandeur.

Tell me, what will Texas do for a Navy? Army? Will all of Texas walk away from Social Security? What will we do for currency? Who will be our foreign diplomats, and what standing will we have with foreign countries?

How will Texans feel paying just as much taxes to Austin as they used to pay to DC, just to support the programs that they now demand (that are funded by DC taxes currently)?

Just think thru this thing. This is the same proposition that Quebec faced in the 1980’s. Quite frankly, by the time the “OUI” vote happened most of Canada wanted them gone.

You see, your little URL has to compete with a guy who’s studied history quite a bit. Even if I am new to Texas, I know a lot about 2 major secessionist attempts (1861 with the CSA and the 1980’s attempts of Quebec) and it doesn’t take a brilliant mind to see the same problems here.

[D-fendr]

Texas can split itself. I’d love to see a large section carved out into the Free State of Texas - no federal funds allowed.

[Marty62]

What Social Security, what medicare?
You haven’t been paying attention to current events.
The United states is BANKRUPT.

[TWohlford]

“It would truly be a mess.”

Anyone else remember those scenes in “Gone with the Wind” where Rhett tells of the southern gentry that they’re fools?

Quick, someone with this mindset go visit Richmond. Take side trips to Fredericksburg, Petersburg, Spottsylvania, Wilderness, Malvern Hill, Manassas, Gettysburg, Sharpsburg...

Then go to the Museum of the Confederacy (which is one of the best anywhere) and see what the CSA people were trying to accomplish. Compare it to what you’re saying today (and a few in Virginia still say). You will find kindred spirits.

And, you too will end up with tons of monuments and 100 years of poverty should you try.

[PAR35]

Her change of mind on giving up the Senate seat probably reflects a recognition that she isn’t going to be winning the Republican primary.

[Misplaced Texan]

I think the fed govt would put up a fight. A big one, and there would be a lot of bloodshed.

This raises interesting questions. People have emigrated to the US for freedom so now that freedom and liberty are being lost in the communist takeover by the Democratic Party, where will those in the US who want freedom be able to emigrate?

Will restoring the Republic of Texas provide that place of freedom and liberty being lost in the other 49 states? Will Texans be brave enough to take that step and stand up to the Federal Government? Will federal military troops actually shoot at Texans? Will Texas have to stand alone or would other Red States join them and create a new Confederation of States of America?

One major consideration about Texans is that the state has been integrated with many latin american illegals and Blue State transfers that don't really have the heritage of independence, freedom and the pursuit of liberty.

Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!

[TWohlford]

“Her change of mind on giving up the Senate seat probably reflects a recognition that she isn’t going to be winning the Republican primary.”

Kinda what I thought.

Perry should’ve been easy pickin’s for a good politician. It appears that the difficulties of going from Senator to Governor of Texas are the same as going from Senator to POTUS?

[x]

It's just more American decay and decline with a different flavoring and a different label on the outside.

Some people may like the taste better but it's not better for us, and gets us where we're already going.

[Spktyr]

Pssst - secession does not have to be violent. And given current opinion polls in the country, most of the rest of the US would apparently be happy to see us go.

In fact, I’m reasonably sure that the current US government wouldn’t stop us - first because they’re a form of pacifist, and second because it would remove a huge source of opposition to their policies in the House.

[Spktyr]

Article 1, Section 2, Texas Constitution:

INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

[Spktyr]

Part of the reason Texas’ first government collapsed was because at the time Texas had zero industry and was primarily an agricultural country with little other economy.

Today’s Texas economy is radically different - it is diversified, business-and-manufacturing friendly, and contains leading elements of many different industries with more moving in every day.

[Spktyr]

Then you missed some of the successful ones - Norway in 1905 and the peaceful secession of the Slovaks from the Czechs just recently.

A Texas Army isn’t exactly a problem... Navy would take a little time to build up, but we already have a battleship....

Even if we paid for the same programs that we have now via DC, we’d be paying less - for every dollar Texas pays into the Federal system, we only get 94 cents back.

For currency? Well, we could do as other countries do and adopt the US dollar or some other country’s currency until we come up with our own. Or perhaps we could adopt the Euro. It’s not insurmountable.

The UN already recognizes Texas as an “annexed country”, FYI.

[Redbob]

"If Texas goes 10th amendment, I will move there!"

We'll be accepting applications for immigration!

[Spktyr]

Next time around, let’s NOT call it the CSA. That didn’t work out so well the first time.

We could call it the Free or perhaps the Federated States of America.

[TexasAg]

Article 1, Section 2, Texas Constitution

You are correct. Texas can choose to alter or abolish the Texas government formed by the Texas constitution. There is no agreement between Texas and the U.S. granting Texas the right to secede from the United States. I wish there was.

[The Comedian]

This is very real.

It will happen faster if patriots move to Texas *before* we secede, instead of waiting until after.

Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

[w. Seymour]

Frankly, the only way I see Texas seceding is to join Mexico.

[Spktyr]

The right to secede predates the US Constitution. Heck, the US was created by an act of secession.

[TexasAg]

The right to secede predates the US Constitution. Heck, the US was created by an act of secession.

I'd like nothing better than to say that Texas has the right to secede. But no treaty with the US government ever acknowledged that right, and the court decisions in this country basically say states have no right to secede. And I'll point out that the US was created by an act of secession and a war.

[scottiemom]

Trust me, my fellow Freeper, it wouldn't look too different if we did. Near these parts, they print everything on the labels in Spanish BEFORE English and the waitress at the Burger King asks “¿Qué querría usted?” before “What would you like?”