[mockingbyrd]

Hang on. I was under the impression that this WAS the 60 member vote. That from here on out, they need 51 votes. Are you saying there’s still one more 60 head vote....where Libermann could come through? Really?

[avacado]

They need 60 votes to end the debate before the 51 vote deal.

[screaminsunshine]

You are pinning all your hope on a Liberal Democrat. I think they will Weasel and squirm their way in to some kind of unholy disgusting deal no matter what. Polecats and Varments never change.

[what's up]

That from here on out, they need 51 votes. Are you saying there’s still one more 60 head vote....where Libermann could come through? Really?

Reid has said he is not going to do reconciliation (51 vote tactic). Of course, we know he is a RAT so can go back on his word in an instant.

Today's vote was a vote to bring the bill forward for debate. We have yet to go thru the debate process and the REAL vote to pass the legislation. The real vote is where Lieberman could come thru and stop this thing.

[jveritas]

Of course they still need 60 votes to end the debate. In fact the real filibuster that occurs often, kills many bills, that we often hear about is the one about ending the debate not starting it.

This bill with it current public option does not have 60 vote for cloture to end the debate and move it for a final vote. That is a certainty.

[television is just wrong]

I hope so.

[Anti-Bubba182]

There would be a cloture vote to end debate for final vote, but those who say this first cloture vote is only a step to get debate on the bill to the Senate floor are cynically over looking that most bills that get far get passed. They all Know how it works.

Reid on Verge of Clearing Senate Health-Bill Hurdle

"...The Congressional Research Service released an analysis that found only one instance between 1999 and 2008 when Senate legislation failed after the chamber voted to end a so-called filibuster on a motion to debate a bill. That was a measure designed to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits that was rejected in 2004.

“When the Senate invoked cloture on a measure itself, it almost always proceeded to a final vote on the measure and passed it,” CRS analysts wrote to Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who requested the study....."

[mojo114]

Can you help out with this?

[praepos]

Yes, there’s another vote for cloture—to close debate. That’ll need 60—and it won’t be easy.

[Logical me]

That from here on out, they need 51 votes

If it goes to reconciliation they only need 50 votes in the Senate and Biden will cast the tiebreaker.

[Soothesayer9]

The whole thing reminds me of a Scientology youtube vid where the bearded guy who hates the cult (and who doesnt?) tries to interview one of the cult leader chicks on the sidewalk, meanwhile circus/carnival music is playing in the background from his partner. Like some bizarre twilight zone episode. I’m sure Biden in the last hour will pull off the mask and expose his true reptilian form.