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Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute
NY Times ^ | November 20, 2009 | ANDREW C. REVKIN

Posted on 11/21/2009 11:31:09 AM PST by neverdem

Hundreds of private e-mail messages and documents hacked from a computer server at a British university are causing a stir among global warming skeptics, who say they show that climate scientists conspired to overstate the case for a human influence on climate change.

The e-mail messages, attributed to prominent American and British climate researchers, include discussions of scientific data and whether it should be released, exchanges about how best to combat the arguments of skeptics,...

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In several e-mail exchanges, Kevin Trenberth, a climatologist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, and other scientists discuss gaps in understanding of recent variations in temperature. Skeptic Web sites pointed out one line in particular: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t,” Dr. Trenberth wrote...

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Dr. Trenberth said Friday that he was appalled at the release of the e-mail messages.

But he added that he thought the revelations might backfire against climate skeptics. He said that he thought that the messages showed “the integrity of scientists.” Still, some of the comments might lend themselves to being interpreted as sinister.

In a 1999 e-mail exchange about charts showing climate patterns over the last two millenniums, Phil Jones, a longtime climate researcher at the East Anglia Climate Research Unit, said he had used a “trick” employed by another scientist, Michael Mann, to “hide the decline” in temperatures.

Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word “trick” to refer to a good way to solve a problem, “and not something secret.”

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agw; climatechange; cru; hacker; hadleycru; warming
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It's been a curious string of developments in the last two months, to say the least. Michael Mann is best known for his famous "hockey stick" graph in which he ignored the Medieval Warm Period, IIRC.

Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data

The Dog Ate Global Warming

AP IMPACT: Statisticians reject global cooling

Copenhagen climate change agreement is impossible

P.S. An Investigation into The Hockey Stick Graph!

Check the fallacies involved in dendrochronolgy, i.e. tree ring growth estimation and temperature proxy data, as well as Mike Mann's ignoring of the Little Ice Age, especially the Maunder Minimum, when the Swedish Army marched across the frozen Baltic Sea and surprised the Danes into surrender!

1 posted on 11/21/2009 11:31:12 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

They NYSlimes actually printed the story! I guess they figured it has become so big that could only spin it and not bury it.


2 posted on 11/21/2009 11:36:49 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: neverdem
Revkin is starting to crack. This article is much less critical of the hackers, and more critical of the alarmists than his last article.
3 posted on 11/21/2009 11:37:33 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (The trouble liberals isn't that they are ignorant; it is that they know so much that isn't so.)
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To: neverdem
Impossible!

Al Gore proclaimed that the Polar Ice Cap will be COMPLETELY GONE in 5 years!

Click on the image below to see Gore make his preposterous prediction!

4 posted on 11/21/2009 11:40:20 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: neverdem
Isn't this author the one mentioned in the emails as being a co-conspiriter?
5 posted on 11/21/2009 11:41:31 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Hypocrisy: "Animal rightists" who eat meat & pen up their pets while accusing farmers of cruelty.)
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To: neverdem
 Climate Change
6 posted on 11/21/2009 11:44:32 AM PST by Tawiskaro
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To: ConservativeMind
Isn't this author the one mentioned in the emails as being a co-conspiriter?

That's him!

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7 posted on 11/21/2009 11:45:13 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: ConservativeMind
Isn't this author the one mentioned in the emails as being a co-conspiriter?

That's him!

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8 posted on 11/21/2009 11:45:19 AM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Revkin was mentioned as a blowin’ in the wind type of ally for the alarmistas. they were so far gone that they thought a NYTimes slut reporter was not pur enough.


9 posted on 11/21/2009 11:45:30 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: ConservativeMind

One and the same. The author is trying to do some CmyA writing. Too late!


10 posted on 11/21/2009 11:47:34 AM PST by abclily
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To: neverdem

He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word “trick” to refer to a good way to solve a problem, “and not something secret.””

I want the job of the person who lays awake at night thinking up such b.s. This crap is S.O.P. anymore.


11 posted on 11/21/2009 11:48:58 AM PST by Kimberly GG ((Come On Sarah - NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP & ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT))
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To: neverdem

Dr. Mann, a professor at Pennsylvania State University, confirmed in an interview that the e-mail message was real. He said the choice of words by his colleague was poor but noted that scientists often used the word “trick” to refer to a good way to solve a problem, “and not something secret.”

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Yeah, that’s the ticket. And scientists often falsify, hide and destroy data that doesn’t fit their agenda. LOL


12 posted on 11/21/2009 11:54:05 AM PST by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: neverdem
but noted that scientists often used the word “trick” to refer to a good way to solve a problem,

Yes, it was a good statistical trick that solved the bad problem of the charts going the "wrong" way to properly serve the agenda.

Very neat and tidy, until caught.

Now, they are spinning like dirt in a Gorenado*.




*Gornado: n. a mythical Category 8 tornado caused by Al Gore's mythical Catastrophic AGW.

13 posted on 11/21/2009 11:54:46 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they vote! Oops; too late They've arrived!)
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To: neverdem

I haven’t stopped laughing since I first read about this yesterday. The same type of correspondence could easily be found at any institution with alarmist leanings. This is just the tip of the iceberg. These people feel that the ends justify the means and will do anything to sell their point of view. Let the cover-up begin! Security is being tightened and email back-ups are being scrubbed everywhere this morning.


14 posted on 11/21/2009 11:55:28 AM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Powerline shows how the warmists at hadley spun Revkin:http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/11/024995.php


15 posted on 11/21/2009 12:02:31 PM PST by the Real fifi
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To: neverdem
30 minutes ago, AP came out with this story, early enough to make Sunday editions: Hackers leak e-mails, stoke climate debate
16 posted on 11/21/2009 12:04:54 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Nateman

>> They NYSlimes actually printed the story!

It’s only a step to neutralize the impact of the find. There are no concessions from the Left, ever!


17 posted on 11/21/2009 12:06:27 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: neverdem
Link to my post where MacIntyre complains about the restriction of data by the Global Warming crowd...:

Juckes and "Restricted" Data

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Linked to my excerpt since his site seems very busy...link to the site is provided at top of the post ...#189.

18 posted on 11/21/2009 12:13:59 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Gene Eric

Spot on! (Although I did make a similar point)


19 posted on 11/21/2009 12:18:31 PM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: the Real fifi
Richard Fernandez at pajamasmedia.com has some good analysis as well. The European elites see this as a way to extract more money, but the regular people are not going to be thrilled at the prospect of yet more taxes.
20 posted on 11/21/2009 12:21:32 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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