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Repeating mw18787's post from #377 (thank you, mw18787):

In Case You're Just Tuning In [Robert Costa]

There are a few things you need to know about tonight's vote and what it means.

— One, Obamacare (in the form of a cloture vote on Senate majority leader Harry Reid's bill) needs 60 votes tonight to be eligible for a final Senate-floor debate. Tonight's vote, in other words, is the last procedural roadblock for Democrats as they push to bring their health-care bill to its final legislative stage.

— Two, if Reid does get his 60 votes tonight, and the bill moves to the floor, it's a big win for Democrats — if but for a moment. The Senate would then go on Thanksgiving break and come back to start the final health-care debate on Monday, November 30th.

— Three, if the bill moves to the floor for a final debate, that debate could stretch on for a long time. Why? Reid will need 60 votes to end the final debate. However, Reid does not need 60 to pass the bill. He only needs 51 for that.

Think of it like this: tonight's vote to move the bill to the floor needs 60 to pass. Then, to end the debate on the bill once it's on the floor and move to a final vote, Reid needs 60 votes again. If he can clear these two hurdles, the bill will come to a final vote in the Senate, where it needs 51 votes to pass. Even if it passes in say early 2010, then the bill will then head to a conference committee between the House and the Senate, where issues will be hashed out even more before it has any chance of reaching President Obama's desk.

So, it's a long road ahead. Stay with us through the fight.

The whole thing is a freaking disaster for America. It’s an absolute mess created by a bunch of a**hole politicians in that stinking political cesspool known as Washington, D.C. We the people need to drain that swamp and kick half of those people out of congress. It’s a disgrace to the country that the monstrous unconstitutional Stalinist PelosiCare bill actually passed our House of Representatives. Everyone who voted for it should be thrown out of office in 2010. It’s time for a peaceful rebellion to retake our country from the political trash in Washington.

They will have the 60 votes. When are people going to realize this is a bolshevist party we are dealing with. as I posted on another thread.

they are not at all afraid as they know that even with marginal losses in 2010 the Bolsheviks have the census. Obama will veto any attempt to roll this back. ACORN will find millions of uncounted souls all in democratic states, thus a shift in the congress and thus the electoral college. They will guarantee themselves dictatorial power in perpetuity. The blowhards who think there will be a revolution are delusional. The dictatorship was voted in last november and still we pretend we live in a democracy when it’s really all make believe. The people in washington already know this. The left has infiltrated every institution we have, is anyone delusional to believe that didn’t include the military, police and the GOP?

They know exactly what they are doing and it's far from political suicide. While we fight them on this they are attacking on all fronts laying the groundwork for permanent power. These guys are MARXISTS. As an ex marxist of the stalinist variety I know marxists when I see them and they are playing our side like violins... No I am not being pessimistic, I am being realistic..