[spectre]

Lieberman will have done major damage if he votes YES today to further debate for this health care bill. He will have served his purpose.

Then,they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass this bill when it comes up for the final vote.

So it really makes no difference if Lieberman votes NO then. He's already screwed us.

[mwl8787]

Then, they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass this bill when it comes up for the final vote.

More factual misinformation.

The subsequent cloture vote to shut off debate -- which won't happen for weeks -- requires 60 votes.

Does anybody read or learn b4 spouting off these ridiculous comments? Reid is not going to use reconciliation - this was the price he had to pay to get Nelson and others on board. Many other RATS will not support reconciliation, including Carper of Delaware. If this was the price that Nelson forced Reid to pay to remove the nuclear option, it was worth it.

[cookcounty]

"...if he (Lieberman) votes YES today .......they only need 50 votes plus Biden to pass this bill when it comes up for the final vote."

But won't they have to have a cloture vote to end debate???? That will require 60 votes.