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Breaking News Story: CRU has apparently been hacked – hundreds of files released
Watts Up With That? ^
| 19/11/2009
| Anthony Watts
Posted on 11/20/2009 1:39:35 AM PST by jsh3180
UPDATE: Response from CRU in interview with another website, see end of this post.
The details on this are still sketchy, well probably never know what went on. But it appears that University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit has been hacked and many many files have been released by the hacker or person unknown.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/annrep93/cru.jpg
UPDATED: Original image was for Met Office corrected This image source: www.cru.uea.ac.uk
Im currently traveling and writing this from an airport, but here is what I know so far:
An unknown person put postings on some climate skeptic websites that advertised an FTP file on a Russian FTP server, here is the message that was placed on the Air Vent today:
We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.
We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents
The file was large, about 61 megabytes, containing hundreds of files.
It contained data, code, and emails from Phil Jones at CRU to and from many people.
Ive seen the file, it appears to be genuine and from CRU. Others who have seen it concur- it appears genuine. There are so many files it appears unlikely that it is a hoax. The effort would be too great.
Here is some of the emails just posted at Climate Audit on this thread:
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=7801#comments
Ive redacted email addresses and direct phone numbers for the moment. The emails all have US public universities in the email addresses, making them public/FOIA actionable I believe. From: Phil Jones To: mann@vxxxxx.xxx Subject: Fwd: John L. Daly dead Date: Thu Jan 29 14:17:01 2004
From: Timo Hmeranta To: Subject: John L. Daly dead Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:04:28 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal
Mike, In an odd way this is cheering news ! One other thing about the CC paper just found another email is that McKittrick says it is standard practice in Econometrics journals to give all the data and codes !! According to legal advice IPR overrides this.
Cheers Phil
It is with deep sadness that the Daly Family have to announce the sudden death of John Daly.Condolences may be sent to Johns email account (daly@john-daly.com) Reported with great sadness
Timo Hmeranta xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Timo Hmeranta, LL.M. Moderator, Climatesceptics Martinlaaksontie 42 B 9 01620 Vantaa Finland, Member State of the European Union
Moderator: timohame@yxxxxx.xxx Private: timo.hameranta@xxxxx.xx
Home page: [1]personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm
Moderator of the discussion group Sceptical Climate Science [2]groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics
To dwell only on horror scenarios of the future shows only a lack of imagination. (Kari Enqvist)
If the facts change, Ill change my opinion. What do you do, Sir (John Maynard Keynes)
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0)xxxxxx School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxxxx University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@xxx.xx.xx NR4 7TJ UK -
References
1. http://personal.inet.fi/koti/hameranta/climate.htm 2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/climatesceptics From: Phil Jones To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, mhughes@xxxx.xxx Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000 Cc: k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm, Once Tims got a diagram here well send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. Ive just completed Mikes Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keiths to hide the decline. Mikes series got the annual land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998. Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers Phil
Prof. Phil Jones Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx University of East Anglia Norwich Email p.jones@xxxx.xxx NR4 7TJ UK
- From: Jonathan Overpeck To: Michael E. Mann Subject: letter to Senate Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:49:31 -0700 Cc: Caspar M Ammann , Raymond Bradley , Keith Briffa , Tom Crowley , Malcolm Hughes , Phil Jones , mann@xxxxx.xxx, jto@xxxxx.xx.xxx, omichael@xxxxx.xxx, Tim Osborn , Kevin Trenberth , Tom Wigley
Hi all Im not too comfortable with this, and would rather not sign at least not without some real time to think it through and debate the issue. It is unprecedented and political, and that worries me.
My vote would be that we dont do this without a careful discussion first.
I think it would be more appropriate for the AGU or some other scientific org to do this - e.g., in reaffirmation of the AGU statement (or whatever its called) on global climate change.
Think about the next step someone sends another letter to the Senators, then we respond, then
Im not sure we want to go down this path. It would be much better for the AGU etc to do it.
What are the precedents and outcomes of similar actions? I can imagine a special-interest org or group doing this like all sorts of other political actions, but is it something for scientists to do as individuals?
Just seems strange, and for that reason Id advise against doing anything with out real thought, and certainly a strong majority of co-authors in support.
Cheers, Peck
Dear fellow Eos co-authors, Given the continued assault on the science of climate change by some on Capitol Hill, Michael and I thought it would be worthwhile to send this letter to various members of the U.S. Senate, accompanied by a copy of our Eos article. Can we ask you to consider signing on with Michael and me (providing your preferred title and affiliation). We would like to get this out ASAP. Thanks in advance, Michael M and Michael O
______________________________________________________________ Professor Michael E. Mann Department of Environmental Sciences, Clark Hall University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22903 _______________________________________________________________________ e-mail: mann@xxxxxx.xxx Phone: (434) 924-7770 FAX: (434) xxx-xxxxx http://www.evsc.virginia.edu/faculty/people/mann.shtml
Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:EOS.senate letter-final.doc (WDBN/MSWD) (00055FCF)
Jonathan T. Overpeck Director, Institute for the Study of Planet Earth Professor, Department of Geosciences Mail and Fedex Address: Institute for the Study of Planet Earth 715 N. Park Ave. 2nd Floor University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721 direct tel: +xxxx fax: +1 520 792-8795 http://www.geo.arizona.edu/Faculty_Pages/Overpeck.J.html http://www.ispe.arizona.edu/ It appears that the proverbial Climate Science Cat is out of the bag.
Developing story more later
UPDATE1: Steve McIntyre posted this on Climate Audit, I used a screen cap rtaher than direct link becuase CA is overloaded and slow at the moment.
UPDATE2: Response from CRU h/t to WUWT reader Nev
http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/hadleycru-says-leaked-data-is-real.html
The director of Britains leading Climate Research Unit, Phil Jones, has told Investigate magazines TGIF Edition tonight that his organization has been hacked, and the data flying all over the internet appears to be genuine.
In an exclusive interview, Jones told TGIF, It was a hacker. We were aware of this about three or four days ago that someone had hacked into our system and taken and copied loads of data files and emails.
Have you alerted police
Not yet. We were not aware of what had been taken.
Jones says he was first tipped off to the security breach by colleagues at the website RealClimate.
Real Climate were given information, but took it down off their site and told me they would send it across to me. They didnt do that. I only found out it had been released five minutes ago.
TGIF asked Jones about the controversial email discussing hiding the decline, and Jones explained what he was trying to say
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KEYWORDS: agw; algorestroke; econuts; forgery; fraud; globalwanking; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globullwarming; gorebalism; hadleycru; humiliation; smokinggun
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To: 6ppc
I see he posted it after I made my post. But still, I’d say this is at least red-color news, if not banner headline news.
But instead, he’s got Oprah.
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posted on
11/20/2009 10:53:14 AM PST
by
Dan Nunn
(Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise. -The Great One)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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posted on
11/20/2009 10:54:18 AM PST
by
hoe_cake
(A member of the Society of the Descendants of the Signers of the Constitution.)
To: thethirddegree
Send it to O’Really. He’s the one that drank the kool-aid. Rub a little salt in his wound...
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posted on
11/20/2009 10:55:51 AM PST
by
hoosiermama
(ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
To: reagandemocrat
no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data How does this outlet square this with the email that says, "hide the decline"?
Typical, if it doesn't say what the media thinks it should say, it is labeled a fraud.
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posted on
11/20/2009 10:59:17 AM PST
by
Cletus.D.Yokel
(FreepMail me if you want on the Bourbon ping list!)
To: jsh3180
From: "Mick Kelly" To: Nguyen Huu Ninh (cered@hn.vnn.vn) Subject: NOAA funding Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:17:15 +0000 Ninh NOAA want to give us more money for the El Nino work with IGCN. How much do we have left from the last budget? I reckon most has been spent but we need to show some left to cover the costs of the trip Roger didn't make and also the fees/equipment/computer money we haven't spent otherwise NOAA will be suspicious. Politically this money may have to go through Simon's institute but there overhead rate is high so maybe not! Best wishes Mick
To: TexasNative2000
The chair is against the wall.
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:01:33 AM PST
by
Karma Police
(Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!!!)
To: Cletus.D.Yokel
There are several emails in the documents folder as well, some of those are more damning..
One quote from an email titled Fishers - The elevation corrected south GRIP Holocene has a very strong
negative delta trend in it and I expect there should be some correction done to the north GRIP record too,, eventually I think they should all come out looking like our records from Northern Canada. Now at least ice core records have some low frequencies to correct... not like your bloody trees that can not remember one century to the next
This email outlines blatant changing of data in order to make it fit with the result they want. They admit the data they collected trends against the results they want but to preserve their funding they need to correct the data.
To: All; BOBTHENAILER; Grampa Dave; jsh3180; xcamel; Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; blam
The Climatic Research Unit CRU is housed by the University of East Anglica in the UK...
I think they should make all the funding records ,....grants,...etc...available to the WWW....how could we make that happen?
To: jsh3180; All
This is not about "preserving mother earth." This is about these scientists lying to preserve their cash flow. Just like the Capitalists they pretend to disdain the Global Warming scientists are in the Global Warming scam for the MONEY!
What ELSE have the CRU Global Warming Scientists lied about?! |
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:13:04 AM PST
by
BP2
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
To: SteamShovel
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:13:12 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: All
Pursuing pieces....:
Professor Sir David King
************************************EXCERPT********************************
Professor Sir David King
There is no bigger problem than climate change.The threat is quite simple, its a threat to our civilisation.
Professor Sir David King was appointed as the Governments Chief Scientific Adviser and Head of the Office of Science and Technology in October 2000. Born in South Africa in 1939, and after an early career at the University of Witwatersrand, Imperial College and the University of East Anglia, he became the Brunner Professor of Physical Chemistry at the University of Liverpool in 1974. In 1988, he was appointed 1920 Professor of Physical Chemistry at the University of Cambridge and subsequently became Master of Downing College (1995-2000), and Head of the University Chemistry Department (1993-2000).
The Climate Group spoke to Professor King at the Office of Science and Technology on June 28th 2004.
At what level do you think we are capable of stabilising CO2 emissions, and at what level do you believe they will, in fact, be stabilised?
The classic warming period level of carbon dioxide is around 270 parts per million [ppm].The classic ice age level is 200-220 ppm.We are currently at 379ppm and rising at 2 to 3 ppm per annum.So it is already quite bad news, and therefore the answer to the question, where would we like to be? is, not where we are now. But given where we are now we ought to settle on a level of carbon dioxide that is ultimately realistic, and a realistic level might be 550 ppm.550 ppm is going to be quite tough globally to achieve, particularly with developing countries increasing need for energy, and with a global population currently 6.2 billion, and probably going up to 9 billion people by 2050.Unfortunately, the latest research is indicating that if we are to avoid sudden climate change events it is very difficult to calculate the levels at which those effects may switch in. And it may be that 450 ppm is already at a level where that becomes a problem.So if we were sitting here saying we could turn off emissions tomorrow, I would be saying 400-450 ppm. But being realistic, 550 ppm is probably still the right level to be targeting.
Do you think well make that?
What Im saying is we have to aim for a level which I think we can make, and which we jolly well have to make.
Are we on track to make it?
No were not.We need an enormous amount of action to make it.The UK is possibly the only country that is currently meeting the Kyoto requirements, and yet our government has announced that Kyoto is not nearly enough. So I think that we will have to see a massive change in attitude and policy around the world.
© John Cobb
What are the impacts relating to the 550 stabilisation level?
First of all, at 379ppm we have already experienced a 0.6-0.8 degree temperature rise and we are already observing the impacts of that.There is an analysis which demonstrates that the very hot summer that we had in Europe last year is a global warming effect.26,000 deaths, 12 billion estimated costs to the built environment, big increases in the insurance claims, thats just one example of the effect of global warming and how its already impacting us.
But these impacts are nothing compared with what is going to happen.16 of the 19 biggest cities in the world are all sitting on coastlines and are very much at risk as sea levels rise, and as storms increase.By 2050 we may see something in the region of 50-250 million people displaced from their homes.Unfortunately, many of the worst impacts will occur in countries that can least afford to protect themselves.For example, Africa is very likely to suffer from a radical increase in desertification.
So, all round, quite severe impacts even if we maintain a level of carbon dioxide of 550ppm.If we go on consuming fossil fuels without regard to carbon dioxide emissions as we are now, then the impacts will be more severe than Ive been talking about.
The biggest impact, let me say it now, is going to be if the Greenland ice-sheet melts, which would mean sea-level rises of 6-7 metres.Now thats going to take a long time, but its likely that a temperature rise of around 3°C is going to be sufficient to kick off the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, and that in itself means that in the longer term, perhaps 500, perhaps 1000 years, we will lose all of those major global cities.The cost of dealing with those impacts is massive.
What about the costs of taking action?
Earlier this year, the Office of Science and Technology published its report on the increased flood risks to the UK over the next 50-80 years.There are 2 conclusions to that report.One is that even in the best scenario of CO2 emissions globally its going to cost us an enormous amount to manage risks to homes from being flooded at their present level.But if we have the worst emissions scenario, thats a business as usual scenario, the cost becomes prohibitively high, and we will be writing off areas of the country as flood plains.It is very clear, therefore, that its much better to spend a pound on reducing emissions than trying to spend a pound on the consequences of emitting.Its true for the UK, its true for every other country, and we are working hard to get that message across.
How important is leadership from governments and businesses on this issue?
What is critically important is that governments are recognising the need to act together.We need global acceptance of an ultimate level of carbon dioxide that we will aim to maintain the globe at.And we need then to put in place measures to make sure that we dont exceed that level.This is going to require first of all agreement from all G8 countries, and in the second round, we must bring on India, China and the developing world.So, that in itself is absolutely crucial.But of course in getting to that stage we are engaging with many companies around the world.And in the UK weve been very successful in engaging with a number of companies who have now committed to reducing emissions in their own operations, and interestingly amongst those are the big oil companies.I think thats important in this phase when were trying to get global understanding and acceptance of the magnitude of the problem.
Has anyone gone far enough yet?
I think 2 countries are leading at the moment; the UK and Germany.The UK is saying, we will reduce our emissions by 60% by 2050, and were not waiting for other countries to come on board.We will do it, and were setting out a road map to achieve it.In Germany, their target is now 50% by 2050.What we need to see though, is in the immediate future, Russia, Australia and the United States signing up to Kyoto, so we can move on introducing carbon trading.Carbon trading provides the global mechanism for, in a fair way, achieving emissions reduction.Carbon trading will begin in Europe next year and I think thats again a big step forward.But no, nobody yet is doing enough.But the British government is taking a strong leadership role.
Is carbon trading the most important policy instrument?
I think that the most important drivers are economic regulatory drivers.What this specifically means is internalising the external cost.Here the external cost is the cost to the environment of emitting carbon dioxide, so any emitter gets charged the additional cost associated with that.That is an important driver.And we also have to look very carefully at how local economies are affected.So its not just how much carbon dioxide you are emitting, but what the easiest way to reduce emissions is without hurting the economy.So, for example, easy wins are in the built environment which takes up something like 60% of the energy of the grid.We can design homes and buildings in a way that conserves energy considerably better than we are today, and without much increased cost in terms of putting those houses up.The difficult areas are air transport for example.So, I think that the increased costs have to be borne in a differential way, we cant treat this as just one common factor.
© John Cobb
Do we need to highlight the win-wins more?
There are many win-win situations which The Climate Group is right to draw attention to.Businesses save money through energy efficiency.Anyone who drives a car with a better fuel economy is also saving money.The new hybrid engine car driven in London would produce 65 miles per gallon, and that would be taxi driver type service, compared with a normal car producing 25 miles per gallon. Youre producing less carbon dioxide and youre paying less for the fuel. There are also advantages for businesses, especially the producers of new devices, for getting into these new technologies early.
But we have to keep coming back to the same point; that increased impacts mean that the cost for all of us is going to go up.And these costs have to be borne globally by all societies.And I think what people really worry about is that if one country gets involved and others dont we will lose our competitive edge.And so I come back to the overall imperative which is to get all countries acting together.
What are the technological priorities for making progress?
The answer to the question depends very much on the timescale that youre looking at. So, for example, I am very excited by the current state of nuclear fusion research internationally. I think that all the science is there, that fusion power stations will be developed in the future.I think were still 35 years away from having power stations which are commercial. But once that happens we will have a power source with no radioactive waste, that works with lithium and deuterium of which there is an abundance in the earth.We could probably keep powering the requirements even of our 9 billion population that will be, for several thousand years.And that in the longer term has to be a very important goal.
But in the shorter term I think a broad menu approach is required. We must look at carbon dioxide sequestration; we must look at alternative energy sources such as tidal energy, wave energy.I think work on the hydrogen fuel economy, hydrogen fuel cells, production and storage of hydrogen are key factors.We must also look at 4th generation nuclear fission.Were talking here about the worlds biggest problem, and we need to put all our resources into switching from fossil fuels, where our dependency lies totally at the moment, to alternatives to fossil fuel. We must also press very hard on energy efficiency gains.
Is the climate change message currently being communicated effectively?
I think the climate change message can be difficult to get across.We all enjoy warm summers, and we look forward to the possibility of better British wines!We also all know that extreme climate events always happen, so you get a long hot summer in Europe as in 2003 and very few people suffering from it actually think of it as a global warming event.Im afraid one thinks of a frog boiler. You put a frog in cool water and slowly warm the water up, and the frog just thinks its lovely and doesnt jump out until it dies.But if you toss the frog into hot water it leaps out very quickly.Im afraid we are in a frog boiler situation. The warming up is so slow that were not complaining about it, even though the effects are quite dramatic.
So what should we be doing to get the message through?
Recently, I gave a review of the film The Day After Tomorrow.I did this for the very simple reason that I think the film raises the issue of climate change.And using opportunities like this is just one example of how we can move on this issue, and we must.Weve got to take every opportunity.
Fundamentally, there are some very, very simple messages to get across. Throughout every ice age for the last 800,000 years we know that carbon dioxide levels were about 200 ppm, and throughout every warm period for the last 800,000 years they were about 260ppm.Because of our use of fossil fuel weve broken that ice age / warm period cycle.We are now moving into the first hot period for 800,000 years.This is not too difficult a message to get through.
Is this one of the key issues you want to act on in your role as Head of the UKs Office of Science and Technology?
I dont know about want to, I am acting.Since I took the job in October 2000 this has been the focus for the simple reason that this is the biggest problem facing us globally this century.There is no bigger problem.The threat is quite simple; its a threat to our civilisation.
To: The Comedian
Wired is now covering it, as of 8 minutes ago.
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:16:00 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: jsh3180
WHOOPS:
****************************************
The main CRU webserver is currently down.
To: Dan Nunn
...and Drudge is silent. I liked him better when he had to actually try. Drudge now has a link up to the story (low-key, in right hand column).
The scientific journal Nature is now covering the story.
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:20:02 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: PapaBear3625
Good, I sent it to a friend at Wired a few minutes ago, glad someone beat me to the punch.
To: All
From the emergency webserver we still have the message:
To: All
*swoosh* That was the sound of all Al Gore’s investments going out the door.
The hits to obama and leftists just keep coming.
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:22:18 AM PST
by
OafOfOffice
(Constitution is not neutral.It was designed to take the government off the backs of people-Douglas)
To: backhoe; Kaslin
To: mnehring
It seems like the media is mostly trying to figure out what to do with this, and how low-key they can play it without actually suppressing it. I’m expecting the Nature article(post 174) to cause a splash in the scientific community.
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:26:16 AM PST
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
We have 50 days to save the world
Actually only 16 days now to push the Global Warming lie before Copenhagen ...
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posted on
11/20/2009 11:27:22 AM PST
by
BP2
(I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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