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To: metmom

>>So, do you think that it’s OK for them to dictate through force of law what is to be taught in the public schools? Cause that sure is what’s coming across that you’re advocating.<<

Please reread my answer. The law was brought in when religion was brought into the classroom, in violation of the 1st Amendment and in the face of all logic. Behe himself likened ID to astrology, for goodness sake.

>>Nice evading of the request and answers there. <<

You have never had a more direct answer. As a service, I even supplied the logical fallacies you were using when I directly refuted them.

>>OW, you have nothing. So there’s no reason in the world to not have creation and ID taught alongside evolution in public schools if that’s what the parents wish.<<

Repeating something doesn’t make it so. Religion is not nor shall it ever be science. If the parents want to dumb down and confuse their own kids, there is nothing stopping them from the confines of their own home.


151 posted on 11/19/2009 5:46:44 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003
The law was brought in when religion was brought into the classroom, in violation of the 1st Amendment and in the face of all logic.

Religion in the classroom is not a violation of the First Amendment. If it had been the Founding Fathers would have put a stop to it then and there. They knew what they meant when they wrote it and if they felt that Bible reading and prayer were in violation of it, they had every opportunity to not only correct it but specifically put it in writing then, and they didn't, even knowing that it was going on.

Religion was in the classroom since the inception of this country. It wasn't until the last several years that it has been removed. So it wasn't in violation of the Constitution.

You need to learn a whole lot more about history and what went on in classrooms before the ACLU got to them.

If the parents want to dumb down and confuse their own kids, there is nothing stopping them from the confines of their own home.

Kids who are taught to think for themselves are the ones who are not dumbed down nor confused. Homeschoolers, who by and large teach evolution and creation, consistently outperform their public school counterparts. Public education was historically better when creation was taught in public schools.

There is not one shred of evidence that you can supply that would lead anyone to conclude that keeping creation out of public schools is going to improve the students science education. The ToE has had a monopoly for decades and the US standing in the sciences continues to tank.

All that aside, there is still no excuse or justification for advocating for federal government control of education or restriction of religious freedom. If the parents and local school boards want both taught, they should both be taught. That's their prerogative in a free country.

Freedom also means the freedom to be wrong.

If the ToE is all it's cracked up to be anyway, then there shouldn't be any concern about creation being taught. It ought to be able to stand up to it.

Interesting quote from Thomas Jefferson applies to the use of the force of law to mandate only evolution. "It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.

If the evo only crowd doesn't like having both taught, THEY can pull their kids from the public schools and teach them at home. The scrap that evos throw to creationists in a futile effort to justify their liberal big government control of education position, can work for them as well.

They could easily opt their kids out of that section of the class. There's no need for lawsuits to force their views on everyone else against their will.

Keeping God out of school is not a neutral position. It's advocating for a religious belief system and by forcing religion out puts the government in the position of preventing the free exercise of religion.

You are taking a liberal position on the issue. Wear the label then.

153 posted on 11/19/2009 8:15:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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