Although Arizona has more orange...
Posted on 11/18/2009 10:31:49 AM PST by FromLori
1. I am not anti-catholic.
2. Read your history book.
3. I am a defender of the faith.
Maybe it was learned from the collusion between church and state that some Protestant churches followed as well. It was King James, answering the Puritans, who replied, “No Bishop, No King”. He had learned from Scotland that someone who rejected church ecclesiastical authority would soon reject political authority. If one can choose your own elders, why not choose your own political rulers as well?
Also note that Wycliffe’s preaching resulted in rebellion by the poor against their political masters, just as Luther’s did - with 50,000 dead in the latter case. Neither Wycliffe or Luther understood the political implications of their religious views.
“Consistent with Catholic teaching, the bishops have long supported securing nuclear materials from terrorists and reducing the number of nuclear armaments. For decades we have promoted the policy goals of preventing proliferation of these horrific weapons and ultimately eliminating them. Nuclear war is rejected in Church teaching because the use of nuclear weapons cannot insure noncombatant immunity and their destructive potential and lingering radiation cannot be proportionate in a meaningful sense. Pope Benedict XVI said in a January 2006 statement, “In a nuclear war there would be no victors, only victims.”
“Dear Secretary Rice:
The gathering of leaders of more than 170 nations at the World Summit in New York on September 14-16 presents an unparalleled opportunity to initiate bold actions to further world peace and security, promote human rights and development, and revitalize the United Nations. All of these issues are of major interest to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops”
“We support the inclusion of all immigrants, regardless of status, in the insurance exchange. The Senate legislation forbids undocumented immigrants from purchasing health-care coverage in the exchange. Undocumented immigrants should not be barred from purchasing a health insurance plan with their own money. Without such access, many immigrant families would be unable to receive primary care and be compelled to rely on emergency room care.”
“The president also commits major new resources to address the serious impacts of climate change. The bishops’ priority is that the significant resources raised by climate change legislation should be used for public purposes, especially to reduce the disproportionate burdens on those least able to bear the impacts of climate change. The poor in the United States and around the world contribute the least to climate change. The budget and other measures must effectively provide help to poor families in the United States and in poor countries to adapt and mitigate the costs and consequences of climate change policy.”
“On behalf of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), we call on Congress to place the needs of poor families and the most vulnerable in our nation and around the world first in setting priorities in the federal budget resolution. Decisions on how to allocate opportunities and burdens in setting budget priorities are more than economic policies, they are moral choices.
Meeting essential human needs is a compelling ethical and fiscal priority. A moral measure of the budget will be how it treats “the least of these.”
“The president’s proposed budget increases the International Affairs budget for Fiscal Year 2010 by $4.5 billion dollars over the FY 2009 level. We are pleased that a major objective is to put the United States on a path to doubling foreign assistance, which is urgently needed as the world’s poor countries struggle to deal with the global financial crisis.”
“Monsignor would have pointed out the lack of union representation in so many of the emerging industries and workplaces where exploitation has been most evident. He would have applauded any and every new initiative that brings labor leadership, management, and related interested parties together as “intermediate institutions” in our society that would be based on mutual respect. He would recognize that such respect furthers the good of the worker, the enterprises involved, and the common good.”
Wow.
No links.
I’m SO surprised.
“Wow. No links. I’m SO surprised.”
All those quotes came from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website.
Click on Arms Control, Domestic Issues, Economic Justice and Health, then read almost any letter at random.
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/international/2009-09-28-ltr-senate-hubbard-nuclear-weapons-obrien.pdf
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/international/2005-09UNSummit-letterfinal.pdf
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/national/2009-11-20-ltr-usccb-health-care-to-senate.pdf
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/national/2009-11-20-ltr-usccb-health-care-to-senate.pdf
http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/national/labor_day_2008.pdf
You can pretty much pick a letter or statement at random, because the Catholic Bishops DO agree with the Left on illegal immigration, unions, government spending, war, United Nations, etc.
They pretty much disagree on abortion, and...abortion, and...um...well...not much else!
I hope you can distinguish between the USCCB and the Catholic Church.
No, not really. Why should I? If the Vatican objects, then the Vatican should shut them up.
Here is a quote from the original article:
“Another untold story is how, despite a disagreement over abortion, the U.S. Catholic Bishops and the Obama Administration agree on major aspects of so-called health care reform.”
Perhaps you should attack the USCCB, rather than those who disagree with them!
Because you're an adult trying to have an adult conversation about two distinguishable entities?
If the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops can’t speak with authority for US Catholics on what is Church teaching, then who can?
The Church.
You’re having me on, right? This is a joke?
The US Conference of Catholic Bishops is just ‘going rogue’? Just a bunch of wild and crazy Catholic Bishops, speaking and writing consistently on a variety of issues for decades, all without the Vatican’s knowledge or approval?
What is the color of the sky in the world where you live?
Blue.
How about yours?
Although Arizona has more orange...
"King James, King Henry, King Blozo of Nottingham, what do any of them have to do with the alleged abuse of valid Church authority? How do you work these secular usurpers of Church authority in with authentic Church authority? How does a secular King who rejects the Catholic Church and takes it upon himself to found a counterfeit church, declaring himself and all future Kings of England Pope of this pseudo church, find his way into a debate about the alleged abuse by valid Church authority?
In any case, as history clearly shows, the "common man" requires a leader, he seeks a leader and his society isn't successful until he finds one, or some other form of central power to govern him, (reign over him). It's not so much that abusive, power hungry men or institutions come onto the scene just to "abuse the masses", as it is the masses literally require somebody to rule over them. If a King, government or institution imposes its will over the people, abuses them and doesn't give back what the people need for safety and survival, that person or institution will eventually be rejected and/or overthrown by the people. --- And then replaced by another form of leadership. But no matter what, the sheeple need a ruler of some kind, we are simply made that way.
As I see it the (true) Church has been around for 2,000 years, has grown to greater numbers than ever before, because the people know what they need. If Heaven is a Kingdom, then this world was also meant to be one.
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