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To: VRWCmember
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And yet - these statistical anomolies notwithstanding - in every state where the right to concealed carry has been expanded the rate of violent crime and murder has gone down.

I don't have any problem with people carrying to defend themselves. I'm just saying that it's not going to stop the mass killings that we've seen over the years and decades. That's still going to continue and people are still going to get killed in these mass killings.

If you have every last single person carrying, you're still going to have mass killings.

It appears to me that some other solution is going to have to be sought out to prevent mass killings. I don't know what that is -- but I do know that carrying to defend yourself (while that is fine and good by itself), is not going to stop these mass killings.

53 posted on 11/11/2009 12:02:50 PM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Yes, there will always be violence, and we will always have people bent on killing people; and some will even want to kill as many as they can before they are stopped.

And you are correct that being armed will not prevent that. The question then becomes: What do you do to mitigate the situation? Do you move toward ensuring that everyone everywhere is an unarmed potential victim? Or do you move toward increasing freedom to defend oneself? The author of the article posted clearly advocates for the former, arguing that the guns themselves are the problem rather than the people who chose to commit the atrocities. In your statements that appear to argue the futility of armed self-defense, you appear to be advocating the same.

There is no perfect solution, short of the LORD establishing His Kingdom here on earth when sin will be abolished and we won’t have to worry about violence anymore anyway. Until then, the best solution is to expand freedom and make as much of our society as possible a very hazardous work environment for would-be mass murderers. Eliminating (or at least drastically reducing) “gun-free” zones is a good place to start.


71 posted on 11/11/2009 12:29:30 PM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Star Traveler

“I’m just saying that it’s not going to stop the mass killings that we’ve seen over the years and decades.”

So you continue to ignore the specific examples upthread where EXACTLY THAT VERY THING has happened? Gee, there’s a shock. Not.


72 posted on 11/11/2009 12:32:57 PM PST by piytar (Go Away NRC, Steele, Graham, and the rest of the lib-loser GOP. WE'RE TAKING OUR PARTY BACK!)
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