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Pelosi bill: Jail for no insurance
The Hill ^ | November 8, 2009 | Dick Morris and Eileen McGann

Posted on 11/08/2009 11:57:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation reported that the House version of the healthcare bill specifies that those who don’t buy health insurance and do not pay the fine of about 2.5 percent of their income for failing to do so can face a penalty of up to five years in prison!

The bill describes the penalties as follows:

• Section 7203 — misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 — felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

That anyone should face prison for not buying health insurance is simply incredible.

And how much will the stay-out-of-jail insurance cost? The Joint Committee noted that “according to a recent analysis by the Congressional Budget Office, the lowest-cost family non-group plan under HR 3862 [the Pelosi bill] would cost $15,000 by 2016.”

Obama’s bill only provides subsidies to help pay this enormous sum after families making about $45,000 have paid 8 percent of their income for insurance and after those earning a household income of about $65,000 have kicked in 12 percent.

The Joint Committee on Taxation noted that while the Senate Finance Committee version of the bill did not include criminal penalties, “The House Democrats’ bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.”

Remember that simply buying catastrophic insurance, which may be all the young uninsured family needs, does not constitute having adequate insurance under the Obama bill. It has to be total, all-inclusive insurance for one to avoid the penalties in the legislation. That is because Obama wants to use these premiums from the currently uninsured to subsidize his program.

So Ms. Pelosi is requiring Americans to pay these steep premiums, or a fine of 2.5 percent of their income for not doing so, or, potentially, go to prison!

Anyone who is familiar with the U.S. prison system can attest to the large number of people incarcerated for similar white-collar offenses. That the House bill would treat failure to carry health insurance or pay the fine as tax evasion or willful nonpayment is amazing!

And where is the constitutional basis for requiring everyone to buy insurance? It is OK for a state to make drivers pay for automobile insurance? Driving is not a right, it is a privilege, and the state may regulate it by demanding insurance. Banks can require homeowners to buy insurance as a condition of their lending. But how does the federal government get the right to require a family to buy health insurance or face a civil penalty and, failing that, to face either a criminal fine or jail?

The tough penalties in the House bill are designed to keep insurance companies from opposing the bill. It was the relaxation of these penalties in the Senate Finance Committee version of the legislation that led the companies to reverse field and come out in opposition to the legislation. The insurance companies want to see their coffers swell when tens of millions of new customers are required to buy insurance. The more draconian the penalties for failing to pay them large sums of money to pad their bottom lines, the better.

The more you read this bill, the worse it gets.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; congress; deathpanels; healthcare; hr3962; marchondc; obama; obamacare; pelosi; pelosicare; romney; romneycare; taxes
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The American Revolution was over some very minor taxes(1-3% IIRC) on tea and other goods. Will we put up with much worse despotism than our forefathers?!
1 posted on 11/08/2009 11:57:36 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

FUNP!


2 posted on 11/08/2009 11:59:11 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (Markets and Marxists Don't Mix! Audit the FED NOW!)
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Will we put up with much worse despotism than our forefathers?!

This is the problem with an easy money regime. It devalues money, literally and figuratively.

Now, however, the easy money regime is quite threadbare.

Eventually tolerance won't be an option. Then, I think, there will be the mother of all backlashes.

3 posted on 11/08/2009 12:01:02 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (the obama doctrine: "let's not rush to any conclusions...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here come the gulags!


4 posted on 11/08/2009 12:01:24 PM PST by proudofthesouth (Zero is nothing more than a puppet. Who is pulling his strings?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


5 posted on 11/08/2009 12:02:00 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We already have, and will continue to do so.


6 posted on 11/08/2009 12:02:07 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Maybe speech will be taxed soon also.


7 posted on 11/08/2009 12:02:15 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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8 posted on 11/08/2009 12:02:15 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (Live Free Or Die)
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Of course if you’re an illegal alien, then not only are you left out of the insurance requirement, but others will be complelled to pay FOR YOU, just as at present.


9 posted on 11/08/2009 12:02:26 PM PST by gaijin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

how convenient, incidentally, that every podunk freaking police force in America is para-military.


10 posted on 11/08/2009 12:03:14 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (the obama doctrine: "let's not rush to any conclusions...")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

House: “You will do as we say!”

Tyranny...


11 posted on 11/08/2009 12:03:17 PM PST by Enough is ENOUGH
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The American Revolution was over some very minor taxes(1-3% IIRC) on tea and other goods.

More so about the lack of Colonial representation in Parliament. Not so different from today, as it's obvious the average American has little to no representation in Congress.

12 posted on 11/08/2009 12:03:44 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Revolution!! Where!! Where!! Sign me up!


13 posted on 11/08/2009 12:03:51 PM PST by donhunt ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, the democrat party law DOES NOT APPLY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS.

ONLY TO THE MIDDLE CLASS.


14 posted on 11/08/2009 12:04:55 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (DOE)
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Maybe speech will be taxed soon also.

Has been for decades, through the back door. It's called lobbying.

15 posted on 11/08/2009 12:05:08 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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how convenient, incidentally, that every podunk freaking police force in America is para-military.

Another consequence of the WOD.

16 posted on 11/08/2009 12:06:27 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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<< “...how convenient, incidentally, that every podunk freaking police force in America is para-military.” >>

Nice try on their part, but not nearly enough:

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


17 posted on 11/08/2009 12:06:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin if she runs; What will you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
POLITICIANS CAUSED MEDICAL INSURANCE TO BE NECESSARY IN THE FIRST PLACE. NOW THEY WANT TO PUNISH YOU FOR THEIR GROTESQUE MISTAKES.

New:  Medicare (once again) threatens to cut payments for errors, deliberate or accidental HERE.
Medicare, which went into effect in 1965, and the HMO-subsidizing act, which was passed in 1973, together triggered a non-stop explosion in health care costs which dwarf  price increases in virtually all other products and services for consumers.  Just LOOK at the chart:
CLICK THIS CHART TO ENLARGE:
medigraph2.jpg from http://FreedomKeys.com/medicare.htm
data and charts thanks to Economagic.com
"This is great!" -- Mark Skousen, when I handed him a copy of this chart.

18 posted on 11/08/2009 12:07:16 PM PST by FreeKeys ("EVERYTHING the government touches turns to crap." -- Ringo Starr)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; kingattax

Waiting for the “Let’s Roll” call...


19 posted on 11/08/2009 12:07:26 PM PST by taraytarah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

PELOSI ought to be in jail. NOW.


20 posted on 11/08/2009 12:08:07 PM PST by J40000
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