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To: XenaLee

Don’t think you were. Not for a minute. I know we are on the same team: True Individual Liberty.
Those that are spending their time this morning venting and threatening are not doing much to affect any change, and the last decade proves that without a change, we’re screwed. Repubs and/or Dems in charge, doesn’t matter.
People like us need to try define the debate to bring some unity of principle.
That is why I even replied to you. Not that all of those venting aren’t exactly right, but those with thoughts of what to do now are the one’s I am interested in. And, in my opinion, the what to do now goes way beyond just flopping the power over to the same old Repubs that let us down every time. No more McCainism, Grahamism, Trent Lottism, etc.
I refuse to get disabled by the, we have work within the confines of the current set up (party) to stand a chance. Liberty doesn’t stand a chance in the current set up.
We have to win the hearts and minds of the retarded, just as they did this last election (2008). It feels lonely out here not really being part of any group, just the group of producers in this country who are taken for granted every day.
If they could go up against the Clinton machine and win, this can give us a reason to have faith that someone can go up against the Rhino machine and win. They were able to turn a mostly moderate and inert dem party into a super liberal party in one or two cycles. Why can’t we turn a moderately liberal GOP into super conservative party in one or two cycles?
Thanks for the conversation. We all need to have more like this.
Respectfully,


794 posted on 11/08/2009 10:59:57 AM PST by jgophel
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To: jgophel
"If they could go up against the Clinton machine and win, this can give us a reason to have faith that someone can go up against the Rhino machine and win. They were able to turn a mostly moderate and inert dem party into a super liberal party in one or two cycles. Why can’t we turn a moderately liberal GOP into super conservative party in one or two cycles?"

I'll try to answer that 'why'. Others may be able to do it more succinctly, but I'll give it a whirl.

Do you remember how Al Gore successfully legalized about a million Mexican immigrants right before the election? That was only a million. By now, there's an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants in this country. The real figure is more like twice that. When Obama announces his intention to sign the reform bill to legalize those illegals, millions MORE will flood across the border. I figure about 50 million or more illegal immigrants will become American citizens ala Zero. Do you really think we'll have a snowballs' chance in hell of winning an election after that? We're talking raw numbers here. There are just so many of us, and just so many of the Independents .....and millions more DemocRat voters coming up on the horizon.

That, plus the fact that under Obama Deathcare, many of us babyboomers will be conveniently killed off with their death panels and rationing of treatment. Couple that with another mysterious release of an odd strain (read man-made) of flu ....and our numbers will be decreased, even without consideration of how many of us will refuse to take the mandatory health coverage and will probably end up in Zero's gulag.

I'm sorry. I really hate to be (and to feel) this negative and pessimistic. I hate the fact that I'm a realist. My dad used to accuse me of living in a dream world when I was young. Hard to believe, eh? I was a regular Polyanna once. No, I wasn't a liberal. I was just non-political.

That was BEFORE I became aware of the political situation and reality in this country, even though I've always hated communists for some reason. I empathized with the people of Russia especially, but it was so removed that I never knew why I hated them. I never understood why I felt so strongly against communism until now.

I'd have given almost anything to be able to go back to that time once... and be able to be a dreamer again.... blissfully ignorant of reality. It's a much healthier place to be emotionally, spiritually and ulcer-wise. But collective head in the sand 'la-la-land' mentality is what got us into this disaster in the first place. And being healthy one minute doesn't mean you can't be dead the next. I couldn't go back there now. I'm a different person and I know too much to want to. The genie is out of the bottle.

795 posted on 11/08/2009 11:32:28 AM PST by XenaLee
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To: jgophel

the what to do now goes way beyond just flopping the power over to the same old Repubs that let us down every time. No more McCainism, Grahamism, Trent Lottism, etc.
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What about more Reaganism and Contract with Americanism? Yes, we need to reform the Republican party. That is what happened in NY 23 and that is what will happen in many other places also.
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If they could go up against the Clinton machine and win, this can give us a reason to have faith that someone can go up against the Rhino machine and win. They were able to turn a mostly moderate and inert dem party into a super liberal party in one or two cycles. Why can’t we turn a moderately liberal GOP into super conservative party in one or two cycles?
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I like it! Let’s roll!


826 posted on 11/09/2009 7:14:54 AM PST by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Church, Country - Keep on Tea Partiers - party like it's 1773!)
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