Pelosi Dimisses impact of New Jersey/Virgina (We Won Last Night)

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[sickoflibs]

Maddow on MSNBC is on the pro-abortion warpath. Says Obama was on ABC and wants this amendment gone. It was the only promise he was forced to keep.

[stephenjohnbanker]

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[Fresh Wind]

Pelosi, YOU LIE!

[stephenjohnbanker]

I will agree to pay for an insurance rider that provides for the abortion of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”they get the same idiots to vote for the conference bill. “We have to pass this now — we have worked so hard....”

I would say the passing of this bill moves the probability of final passage of something from ‘impossible’ to ‘possible’ but still ‘unlikely’. What you say above is true, that is their strategy, too keep things moving, to put members on the spot and ask them what they need to vote ‘yes’.

Aside from Abortion the house and Senate differ drastically on ‘how to pay’ The house makes believe the entire government can be funded by a few rich people, like CA and NY do and here in MD (LOL) . But Many in the Senate depend on the rich to fund their campaigns. There is the public option conflict too.

But best is that now we have this dog of a bill out in the open for republicans to attack for many more months, and democrats to defend, into the election year.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”they get the same idiots to vote for the conference bill. “We have to pass this now — we have worked so hard....”

I would say the passing of this bill moves the probability of final passage of something from ‘impossible’ to ‘possible’ but still ‘unlikely’. What you say above is true, that is their strategy, too keep things moving, to put members on the spot and ask them what they need to vote ‘yes’.

Aside from Abortion the house and Senate differ drastically on ‘how to pay’ The house makes believe the entire government can be funded by a few rich people, like CA and NY do and here in MD (LOL) . But Many in the Senate depend on the rich to fund their campaigns. There is the public option conflict too.

But best is that now we have this dog of a bill out in the open for republicans to attack for many more months, and democrats to defend, into the election year.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”they get the same idiots to vote for the conference bill. “We have to pass this now — we have worked so hard....”

I would say the passing of this bill moves the probability of final passage of something from ‘impossible’ to ‘possible’ but still ‘unlikely’. What you say above is true, that is their strategy, too keep things moving, to put members on the spot and ask them what they need to vote ‘yes’.

Aside from Abortion the house and Senate differ drastically on ‘how to pay’ The house makes believe the entire government can be funded by a few rich people, like CA and NY do and here in MD (LOL) . But Many in the Senate depend on the rich to fund their campaigns. There is the public option conflict too.

But best is that now we have this dog of a bill out in the open for republicans to attack for many more months, and democrats to defend, into the election year.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“But best is that now we have this dog of a bill out in the open for republicans to attack for many more months, and democrats to defend, into the election year.”

Good point. Watch em stumble.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

I will be surprised if they don't pass something in the senate.

If I am right about that, we will then have a room full of evil people like Debby Wasserman Schultz (to sneak in abortion again among the thousands of pages) and Rahm Emanuel conspiring to make it worse than the bill from either chamber.

After that, it will be "Hurry up and vote without reading it!" again. When the senate and house vote on the "fixed" conference bill, we had better be ready to get on the phones. I believe it will already be an election year by then.

As much as I would like to believe otherwise, I believe that the most of the same buffoons will come back in 2012 to vote for Obama again, even with high unemployment and a very unpopular health care bill, so it would be good if they don't succeed now.

[sickoflibs]

This is what makes it interesting. Democrats must accomplish the near impossible.

If they do pass a bill it will be even further watered down (from current bills ) than the current bill. Progressive liberals will be forced to swallow even more crap (ie compromises) than just the abortion amendment. The bill cannot move to the left, because most liberals are in safe seats, moderates are not. We swallowed crap for eight years and have to live with results, now it’s their turn.

In 1992 I thought Clinton/Democrats was the end of world. It wasnt.

No predictions for 2012 till late 2010.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Bill Clinton is lecturing the Dems today behind closed doors, saying that if they don't pass something, it will be Hillarycare 2 and losing majorities in congress.

Of course, it's a double edged sword. Passing this stinker will lose some seats. But he may be right: not passing something may be even worse for them.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Any bill, no matter how watered down will be a disaster for us in the long term. We must stop any bill from passing.,

[sickoflibs]

I believe Clinton is right, and so are you. There is little upside at this point for dems. This has dragged out too long for their good. A signed bill in August and moving on would have been a big win and the news moving on.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Any bill, no matter how watered down will be a disaster for us in the long term. We must stop any bill from passing.,

I agree, but making the congresscrooks do the right thing is iffy.

Lindsey Graham (knowing that Dems can do whatever the hell they want in conference) says the senate should not approve any "healthcare reform" bill unless Pelosi promises not to put the "Public option" in!!!!!????

I can just hear Pelosi after she swindles Graham by putting it in anyway: "That's not a public option, it's our new 'free enterprise insurance initiative!'"

To me, that bring to mind Neville Chamberlain in 1938. "This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine...."

[DoughtyOne]

Do you have any idea how many Chamberlains there are in the U.S. these days on China alone. It disgust me to the max.

I agree with your use of his name too.

We’ve got a bunch of lily livered milk toasts in D.C. these days.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

Thanks.

[sickoflibs]

Basically what it means is we cant have the Senate pass a bill that goes to conference with the current House bill. Or the conference committee in the Senate cant be liberals, must be the RINOs and Blue Dogs.

Yes, we want nothing to pass at all. The trick to that is divisive amendments, and drag the process out.

[stephenjohnbanker]

“The trick to that is divisive amendments, and drag the process out.”

Worked in Honduras.

[stephenjohnbanker]

Lindsay can be counted on to do the wrong thing.

[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

I am confused about something. Is there a cloture vote (60 votes) in the senate after the bill comes back from bicameral conference, or would the Dems need only 51 votes?

Also, if we do elect a saner congress at some point, can congress refuse to fund Obamacare?