Posted on 11/03/2009 9:45:27 PM PST by AmericanSphinx71
(1) PPP’s last poll was way, waaaay off;
(2) Scozzafava’s endorsement must have had some impact on her supporters, as it erased the five-point lead Hoffman held in the last Siena poll after she dropped out;
(3) third-party challenges, while sometimes warranted, are a very risky proposition (attention Glenn Beck!);
(4) the win in New Jersey, where The One staked his own political capital in campaigning for Corzine, was huge compared to the loss here; and
(5) as I said over the weekend, the actual result of this race is unimportant. The point in torpedoing Scozzafava and swinging the GOP behind Hoffman was to send a message to the Republican leadership that only fiscal conservatives will be tolerated henceforth, and that message has been sent even with Owens winning a squeaker.
The loss is disappointing but it’s a detail on an otherwise great night.
Read on another thread that when Hoffman appeared on the Hannity show with the Thompsons that they did most of the talking. Bad move — it should have been about Hoffman not the Thompsons.
This is a huge rejection, does not bode well for us in 2010 for the mid-terms.
True—a loss to a Dem is a loss, regardless of whether the Dem's last name is Owens of Scozzafava.
These past few elections have really taught me to vote for who I want to win no matter what the results are. If we win, then we have someone who will represent us better and not tarnish are name or reputations. If we lose, so be it. Then we get someone like Obama who will destroy or tarnish our opponents name and reputation. They say we get the Government that we deserve and more people deserve life lessons than not. It’s just time to smell this excrement for the sake of our country. They have 3 years to wake the heck up.
I for one am through getting angry about it. But that doesn’t mean that I won’t fight for what I believe in. I’ll just do it without getting angry.
Can you knock off the drama queen rhetoric.
But it was a special election. The seat will be up for regular election, in a year.
It’s definitely a WIN. We showed the RINO’s we’re fed up, Hoffman, a novice almost won in a district that Obama won by 5%. He might have won if Scuzzy endorsed him, plus he lost a chance at the early voters who voted for Scuzzy before she dropped out.
The biggest part is we showed the HYPOCRISY OF THE RINO’S. Just like we say, they would rather a DEMOCRAT win than a conservative. But WE’RE supposed to always swallow their crap and rally behind THEM.
The favor is never returned, we are DONE with you RINO’S. Chaffee, Specter, Scuzzy, et. al are what RINO’S are all about, we’re supposed to support them but they won’t return the favor. We’re done being their battered wives, we’ll take a clean divorce.
Probably some commie in NYC probably got more during the Golden Age of Soviet espionage in the 30s and early 40s I suspect though.
Good point about the early voting too.
Well, the Democrat was more conservative that our Republican selection.
This could have been prevented if dumbasses in these New York State County party chairs picked someone acceptable to the district. Hell, they had a top blueprint for someone who wins. John McHugh.
Pelosi will be elected Speaker this January regardless of the outcome of NY23. And Pelosi won't get any additional support from Owens on other matters that she wouldn't have gotten from Scozzafava—with the possible exception of gun control legislation (for which the radical leftists don't have sufficient votes to do much, in any case.)
Nonsense,
If Scozzafava had won, it would have been worse than having the Democrat win. In the New York State assembly, she consistently voted to the left of most Democrats, and would have done exactly the same in the US congress.
It's better for a Democrat to vote with Pelosi, than for a nominal Republican like Scozzafava to vote with the Democrats and Pelosi. This way, the Democrats can't get any Republican cover for their insane policies.
” Thanx for giving Pelosi another vote Sarah”
Pelosi would have had another vote with Scozzafava anyways so it doesn't make any difference.
The point is, this guy is there for a year, and after that, he stands a pretty good chance of losing in his reelection bid. I'd much rather have that, than have Scozzafava, who could be keeping the seat for ages, like Arlene Specter has, and keep voting against Republicans in the congress every time.
This is the thing I don't understand. People vote for someone based on their ability to make a great speech? Hitler made great speeches and gained power. That didn't work out very well.
The sleeping giant is awake. The RNC will be best served if they listen to their base from now on. But I don’t think that they’ll get that message for at least 5 more elections.
I’m perfectly content on reminding them until they learn. We must be relentless because they will always revert to their greedy new habits that they’ve acquired. It’s like a drug addict or an alcoholic, the urge to go back is always there so we must fight it as long as we are on this earth.
Abraham Lincoln was a third party candidate.
Are you on drugs?
I think the conservatives supporting Hoffman picked the worst possible message. The message is "The anti-obama constituency is so powerless they are fighting for second place. This is a good day to be a rat." The rats are willing to bend, overlook, and break any law to win. They will lie to win. They will pretend to be centrists. We can't do that for fear the conservatives will desert the party. Conservatives think the best way win is to bludgeon the inhabitants of Reagan's Big Tent.
If my post seems disrespectful I don't mean to be. You have a right to fight for the soul of the GOP. I'm more interested in stopping 0.
The GOP doing promoting a moderate candidate in New York i a RINO sear. Hoffman got every conservative vote, and he lost. Conservatives should consider a strategy that expends less energy going after RINOs in favor of going after democrats ( the guys in power ), but they wont. Conservatives will blame the GOP leadership for unelectable conservatives failing to win in liberal states.
Anything that prevents another Arlene Specter from happening is not a bad thing.
Scozzafava sitting in the congress, and voting regularly with Pelosi, would have been intolerable. Owens sitting in the congress and voting with Pelosi is not something that bothers me much. He will be just another Democrat doing what Democrats do.
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