Posted on 11/01/2009 10:39:02 PM PST by dodger
By DAVID E. SANGER WASHINGTON -
With the White House's reluctant embrace on Sunday of Hamid Karzai as the winner of Afghanistan's suddenly ...
With Karzai, US Faces Weak Partner in Time of War New York Times.
Abdullah Abdullah was at times emotional on Sunday in announcing in Kabul that he was dropping out of a runoff.
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They leave unsaid the cynical and egoistic calculations about electoral politics this Tuesday as well as Bammer's need to keep the leftists on board at least through the votes need to throw US health care into the Democrat Cuisinart.
As much as I despise the Slimes, I have to agree with them on Karzai.
Karzai jus strikes me as a wimp everytime I see him dressed up in his native costume. He’s like a two bit actor playing the part.
That said, that doesn’t mean we have to let him stand in the way. We’re in afghanistan first and foremeost to safeguard our interests.
Yes, Karzai may be a wiener.
But Bammer (or Rahm, or Axelrod, or whoever may be Zero’s puppet master) is floating this fog of ‘concern’ to cover Bammer’s dithering tracks of indecision and political calculation.
Yes, Karzai may be a wiener.
But Bammer (or Rahm, or Axelrod, or whoever may be Zero’s puppet master) is floating this fog of ‘concern’ to cover Bammer’s dithering tracks of indecision and political calculation.
“But Bammer (or Rahm, or Axelrod, or whoever may be Zero’s puppet master) is floating this fog of ‘concern’ to cover Bammer’s dithering tracks of indecision and political calculation.”
You get no arguments here!
I wish someone would ask our dear leader, exactly what piece of information, or what kind of planetary alignement is he waiting for that would magically put him out of his Hamletian misery.
Let me see. Weak, corrupt, incompetent.
Reminds me of Obamao.
Well put! Personally, I think he's looking for the arrow that points to Mecca, and he's found it in embracing the Taliban, if the report yesterday is true that he wants a "negotiated settlement" and "minimum security."
He's just not sure what our reaction will be when he announces it, so he'll leak his soliloquy out in little bits out of the side of his mouth, pretending that he is musing and deciding. I think he was decided all along and knew exactly where this was leading.
You should read the article you posted. It says:
"With the advice of his defense secretary"
Sey waah???
I understand how you would feel that way since the only sources of information most people have are the MSM. However, your perception of Karzai couldn't be more wrong.
During the period after 9/11 when we were in the process of toppling the Taliban and routing out al Quaida's bases in Afghanistan, Karzai suited-up and fought in combat operations right alongside our spec-ops forces. His intelligence information and contacts were invaluable to their operations and missions.
Our spec-ops people who worked and fought with him will vouch for his personal bravery and honor. Karzai isn't "standing in our way" - the truth is that we're the ones who are in the process of betraying him and the rest of the Afghanis who trusted us.
“During the period after 9/11 when we were in the process of toppling the Taliban and routing out al Quaida’s bases in Afghanistan, Karzai suited-up and fought in combat operations right alongside our spec-ops forces. His intelligence information and contacts were invaluable to their operations and missions.”
If that’s true I sit corrected - do you have a source?
This isn't one of those subjects where public cites are readily available. Due to the classified nature of the operations and personnel involved there simply aren't public news stories about it. My information comes from personal contacts with military people serving there at the time (Dec. 2001 through Summer 2002).
The closest thing I ever saw on TV was a Military Channel program on spec-ops night operations in 2002. It was nearly all shown in that greenish night-vision color. The local Afghan leader and his followers who were shown guiding and fighting alongside our guys just happened to be Hamid Karzai. Keep in mind this was long before he emerged as a national Afghan leader. At that time he was just one of many Afghanis who were down in the trenches putting their lives on the line helping us. The only reason I noted it was because I'd already heard his name. If you wanted to poke around some of the military forums and discussion sites on the net I'm sure you could find some info, but the issue is pretty much moot at this point.
I wasn't so much intent on "correcting" you as was trying to get across the point that Karzai is getting a bum rap and is being set-up and betrayed by us, just as we did earlier to Ahmad Shah Massoud. He's no choirboy, George Washington or other saintly type, but is a product of and must function in his culture in ways that will get things done, while simultaneously appeasing us and the other Western allies by going through the motions of "democracy". The error lies with us and our hubris in thinking we can impose a Western-style government on a culture that simply isn't ready for it.
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