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To: livius; BobL; Williams
Leaving aside the merits of whatever Hoffman said (or didn’t say), ANY Democrat is going to be worse than ANY Republican on this issue.

McCain?
48 posted on 11/01/2009 12:23:41 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

McCain was bad on every issue, but you have to realize that a president isn’t alone but is surrounded by “advisors” or even, in the case of Zero, by people actually pulling the strings. No GOPer could possibly be entirely surrounded by people as evil as those Barry has brought to the WH with him, and I think McCain would have listened to reason on immigration.

I felt at the time when people were attacking Bush over immigration that we were being set up to use one issue (about which some people feel very strongly and are very vocal) to make sure that we would be divided and unable to support any single candidate because he wasn’t perfect enough on that issue. But that overlooks the fact that we could have dealt with somebody in the Bush mold on that issue, or even with Bush at the time, if we had offered suggestions and pressure rather than screaming “kill him,” which is exactly what the Dems were hoping for.

What I was sorry about was that people who opposed it just screamed instead of trying to negotiate their way to a good solution. Instead, they trashed Bush, rejected any solutions - and now we have a radical Dem Third-Worlder who is going to give us an immigration “solution” more drastic than anything we could have imagined. Amnesty nothing...we’ll probably all be told to move out of our houses and hand them over to the huge numbers of Muslims he has already indicated he wants to bring here (legally).

We have to learn how to work on issues and reach positions that are as close as they can be to our ideal position. I’m very pro-life, for example, but if a politician will support getting through laws to protect life from conception to natural death, even if he isn’t very personally committed and isn’t out there campaigning to overturn Roe v Wade, that’s fine. You have to get what you can, and if you reject reasonable steps that DON’T COMPROMISE THE PRINCIPLE (this is important, hence the caps) even if the actual working out of it is not all you’d want at that moment...you don’t end up with perfection, you end up with Obama.


56 posted on 11/01/2009 2:46:05 PM PST by livius
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To: SoConPubbie

“McCain?”

The Dems vote in LOCK-STEP for amnesty - McCain wants the same. So, bottom-line, no difference...in other words McCain is no worse than the Dems (no better, but no worse).


57 posted on 11/01/2009 4:35:51 PM PST by BobL
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