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To: pissant; LucyT; Red Steel; ml/nj; rxsid; Jet Jaguar; AJFavish; David; theothercheek; ...

It’s obvious that Judge Carter was made an offer he couldn’t refuse. This decision was made at the barrel of a gun, not based on the rule of law. This is a day that will live in infamy for the American judicial system - and we’ve had way too many of those in the last decade or so! When the judicial system shirks its responsibility to redress gross insults to the Constitution, the Constitution is in effect dead!


60 posted on 10/29/2009 1:02:40 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
It’s obvious that Judge Carter was made an offer he couldn’t refuse. This decision was made at the barrel of a gun, not based on the rule of law.

Have you read Judge Carter's decision? Do any of the precedents he cited not stand for the propositions he said they stood for?

62 posted on 10/29/2009 1:04:47 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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The ORDER can be found here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/21817976/Barnet-v-Obama

63 posted on 10/29/2009 1:12:19 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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Guys, Judge Carter has helped more than is readily apparent.

Remember that Berg's, Orly's, Donofrio's and Wrotowski's filings at the SCOTUS were "dismissed" without comment late last year and in January.

Well, we have a LOT of "comment" from Judge Carter and he's actually HELPED quite a bit, when considering from a legal standpoint this case was a long-shot in his Jurisdiction and with the current interpretations of the Standing and "injury" to the plantiffs.

I point again to some of Judge Carter's final comments on Oct. 5: (from the 10-05-08 WaveyDavey report):

He turned to plaintiffs and said, I'm most
concerned about standing.

To the defendants he said, I'm most concerned
about justicability, correct venue, political question,
and how far do the courts go.

He turned back to plaintiffs and said, if I rule
against you on standing, I would suggest ways to address
that issue in the future.


A LOT of the "game" in front of the judge is knowing how to frame the question. Judge Carter has helped to define the barriers — and those barriers CAN be breached on Appeal — IF the attorneys argue the correct Case Law to redefine the judges' objections.


79 posted on 10/29/2009 1:51:19 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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