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Judge Carter Ruling on MTD
scribd ^ | 10/29/09 | Judge Carter

Posted on 10/29/2009 10:19:10 AM PDT by Elderberry

Judge Carter Ruling on MTD


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: article2section1; birthcertificate; birthers; carter; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; nbc; obama; obamaisfafraud; obamathugs; orly; orlytaitz; romney4obama; romneyantigop; romneybotshere; romneybotsvsbirthers
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To: El Gato
"Are we certain this is real? It's not like we haven't seen forgeries and other false documents in these cases."

That's a joke, right? It's on PACER.

And, it appears that the Smith declaration alleging Orly asked him to commit perjury was "real" and it was delivered. Carter references it, and perhaps another deceleration that Orly allegedly suborned perjury. He writes in his order that the court is "deeply concerned" about it.

101 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:00 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty
This is what Judge Carter actually wrote:

Plaintiffs have encouraged the Court to ignore these mandates of the Constitution; to disregard the limits on its power put in place by the Constitution; and to effectively overthrow a sitting president who was popularly elected by “We the People”–over sixty-nine million of the people. Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction. Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.

102 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:05 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: El Sordo

It’s a damned shame. I am beginning to believe that no judge wants to do anything about this, no matter how valid the arguments are. No good lawyer wants to touch this because they may be “Fort Marcy’ed”. Unless this is approched from some other angle, we are stuck with zerØ for the rest of his reign. This may sound defeatist but it’s not to come across that way. No person in this country has “standing”. That’s what the courts are all saying. We are being told to sit down, shut up, and deal with it.

The truth WILL eventually come out about zerØ. When it does, and it says he is not a natural born citizen, ilegally holding the office of POTUS, there will be many that will be held complicit in the most massive fraud in US history. The sad part about that is they will ALL get away with it with no penalties metted out. NONE!!!!! The Constitution can be used next time one has to go to the bathroom.


103 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:08 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ON 1-19-09 GAS WAS, ON AVERAGE IN MEMPHIS, $1.43 A GALLON.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

104 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:17 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: PigRigger
If we have no standing....than how is one to overturn a perceived injustice?

According to this ruling (which, on its face, appears to be legally sound), there are 2 ways:

1) File a challenge to a candidate's qualifications before the candidate is elected; or

2) Go through the impeachment process.

The reality is, at this point, Barack Obama has been elected and sworn in as President of the United States. According to the Constitution, the President of the United States may only be removed from office through the impeachment process. It doesn't matter what high crime or misdemeanor, or treasonous act, the President commits, impeachment is the only Constitutional way to get a President out of office.

105 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:25 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Genoa
It looks to me like he gave the plaintiffs wiggle room in the appeal by basing his decision on an idea that 69 million votes rules over the constitution. Wonder if the Supremes would agree with that idea? We are a constitutional Republic - not a democracy. The mob does not rule. The constitution, the high law in the land, rules.
106 posted on 10/29/2009 11:10:46 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Genoa
If he stated that the voters trump the Constitution (in effect), then he’s not the upright jurist everyone was saying. Mob rule.

He said exactly the opposite.

107 posted on 10/29/2009 11:11:52 AM PDT by lucysmom
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To: Brown Deer

ROTFLMAO!!!


108 posted on 10/29/2009 11:12:35 AM PDT by LaybackLenny (Sarah Palin can see the left's heads explode from her house!)
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To: etraveler13

“next step, Quo Warranto..”

Well, good luck with that.


109 posted on 10/29/2009 11:12:42 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: bukkdems

I missed something here. What is the argument that Obama shouldn’t have been allowed to run for the Senate? I thought Keyes was a party to this suit because he’d been a (minor) candidate for the presidency in 2008.


110 posted on 10/29/2009 11:13:29 AM PDT by MN Doc
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To: kidd

“...Alan Keyes no longer can demonstrate injury, and thus does not have standing....”

That raises an excellent question, namely, just WHO in the hell DOES have standing?


111 posted on 10/29/2009 11:13:44 AM PDT by NCC-1701 (ON 1-19-09 GAS WAS, ON AVERAGE IN MEMPHIS, $1.43 A GALLON.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No , But this aroused some interest that a criminal investigation of Orly may be next.

"This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this court"

112 posted on 10/29/2009 11:14:52 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: lucysmom
He said exactly the opposite.

Judge Carter's desire for constitutionality was entirely focused on the separation of powers idea. The constitutionality of Barry in the Oval Office is what I was referring to.


113 posted on 10/29/2009 11:15:24 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: chris37
SO, terrorists and illegal aliens have standing, but citizens, candidates for president, and military personnel do not...

Correct. This is Amerika.
114 posted on 10/29/2009 11:16:14 AM PDT by Canedawg (Sometimes we live no particular way but our own)
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To: pissant

Yes, it will be appealed to the Ninth Circuit, and their history suggests very strongly that they will be in full agreement with Judge Carter’s conclusions.


115 posted on 10/29/2009 11:17:23 AM PDT by BigGuy22
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To: Mr. K
He stated that over 69 million people wanted

All of us were lied to about Obama's qualifications, we were told he was qualified, he was middle of the road, he was a uniter.

Run the election again and he would be bitching with Algore (but I'm not sure that idiot from Arizona would have been acceptable either).

116 posted on 10/29/2009 11:18:54 AM PDT by scgator
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To: SaraJohnson
It looks to me like he gave the plaintiffs wiggle room in the appeal by basing his decision on an idea that 69 million votes rules over the constitution.

I suggest you read the entire decision rather than just the last paragraph. He agreed with every ground for dismissal that the defense raised - lack of standing, lack of jurisdiction, everything. There is nothing in that decision to grant an appeal on. Taitz and Kreep failed in every way possible to make their case.

117 posted on 10/29/2009 11:19:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: lucysmom
I paraphrased, but the results are the same - "CASE DISMISSED".

I want the Judge to show me in The Constitution where it even mentions "popularly elected". Also, does this mean that because the sheeple, or a howling mob deems that something is OK, The Constitution can be dismissed?

I believe the judiciary is in place to interpret and enforce the law. Not make the law. If the "over sixty-nine million people" want to remove the Natural Born provision from The Constitution, they are welcome to go through the amendment process to do so. Until then, it is the law.

118 posted on 10/29/2009 11:20:07 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: Drew68

If it can be proven that Orly got someone to lie in court papers, she will be looking at more than fines. Someone up thread claims Carter is accusing Orly of perjury in his decision. I hope for her sake, she did not do that.


119 posted on 10/29/2009 11:20:34 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NCC-1701
That raises an excellent question, namely, just WHO in the hell DOES have standing?

John McCain.

120 posted on 10/29/2009 11:21:11 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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